10-30-23 Special Called Meeting Adopted MinutesMINUTES
S `'S Jr3 Special Called Meeting of the City Commission
Monday, October 30, 2023 - 5:30 PM
Commission Chamber, City Hall
800 Seminole Road, Atlantic Beach, FL 32233
ATTENDANCE:
Present: Curtis Ford, Mayor
Bruce Bole, Commissioner - Seat 2 (District 1308)
Michael Waters, Commissioner - Seat 3 (District 1307)
Candace Kelly, Commissioner - Seat 4 (District 1306)
Jessica Ring, Commissioner - Seat 5 (District 1312)
Also Present: William B. Killingsworth, City Manager (CM)
Jason Gabriel, City Attorney (CA)
Donna Bartle, City Clerk (CC)
Kevin Hogencamp, Deputy City Manager (DCM)
Amanda Askew, Planning & Community Development Dir. (PCDD)
1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
Mayor Ford called the meeting to order at 5:30 p.m.
2. PUBLIC HEARING - APP23-0002 — APPEAL OF THE COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT BOARD (CDB) DECISION FOR ZVAR23-0016 (1110 SCHEIDEL
COURT)
A. City Attorney Procedural Reminders
CA Gabriel explained the appeal hearing procedures as outlined in the agenda packet.
B. Disclosure of Ex Parte Communications, if any
Mayor Ford and each Commissioner reported having no ex parte communications.
C. Swearing In of all persons who will speak
All those providing testimony were sworn in by City Clerk Bartle.
D. City Staff Overview, Documentation and Presentation/Testimony
PCDD Askew presented a slide show (which is attached hereto and made part of this
Official Record as Attachment A) and referenced slides 1-14 as she provided an
overview of APP23-0002 and explained the criteria to use when making their decision.
Commissioner Bole asked how a buyer would know that property is not within Code.
PCDD explained that typically the seller should disclosure that they have done work
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without a permit, but that it's highly unlikely that they are doing that. It will not show up
in a lien letter search. Some realtors call and ask and unless you know to ask, you don't
ask.
PCDD Askew answered questions from Commissioner Kelly about drainage, confirming
it drains into a basin near the Aquatic area which is a problem area for drainage.
Attachment A
E. Applicant's Documentation and Presentation/Testimony
Applicant Mitchel Skaff provided details of their request and noted that one of the main
reasons they bought the house was because of the pergola and neither the seller nor the
listing agent disclosed any issues with permitting. He spoke about the structure having
been there for two years and not causing anyone any issues, why he should not be
punished, the financial implications if he is required to tear it down, and the need to
consider variances separately, case-by-case. (Connor Millsaps, wife and co -applicant,
was also at the podium and made brief remarks during Mr. Skaffs testimony.)
Sandra Skaff, applicant's mother, referred to the photos in Attachment A as she urged
the Commission to approve the request.
Commissioner Ring questioned the cost to remove the pergola and various details about
its construction. Mr. Skaff referred to the photos and provided details.
Commissioner Waters questioned how long they've lived there, whether they put the
pavers in, and whether anything has been added since they bought the place. Mr. Skaff
confirmed that they moved in in January 2022, everything was already there, and they've
not touched it since. Commissioner Waters asked if he was told about impermeability,
setbacks, or anything. Mr. Skaff confirmed he was not told anything.
Mayor Ford questioned whether he was furnished an Owner's Title Insurance Policy
during closing. Since Mr. Skaff wasn't sure, Mayor Ford suggested that he check into it
to see if he has options to remedy with other parties.
Mr. Skaff answered questions from Commissioner Waters about the timing of the Stop
Work Order and subsequent events.
F. Public Comments
Robert Sax, next door neighbor to the applicant and HOA President, confirmed that the
structure and pavers were there when the applicant bought the property and provided a
history of storm events to explain why he believes it has no significant environmental
impact from water shed.
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David Thomas, contractor and father of Latasha Smith, spoke about his experience of
being denied a permit back in 2015. He noted that the subject pergola is not tied into the
house; it is tied into the sheeting and explained why he believes it is not built to Code.
He commented that he would like to see them be able to keep the structure, but also
wants to be able to build what he was turned down for in 2015, for his daughter.
PCDD Askew answered questions from the Commission and clarified that if they are
approved tonight, they would still have to go through the building permit process and
have it inspected by the City's inspector to meet all the building Codes. She also provided
additional details about the approval criteria listed on slide 14 of Attachment A and
referred to slides 6 - 8, as she explained the issues that are part of this application, which
include lot coverage, rear yard setback, side yard setbacks, and onsite stormwater.
Mayor Ford asked CA Gabriel to opine on the impact of precedent and how it would
relate to future actions, especially in light of Mr. Thomas. CA Gabriel explained how
each property has its own circumstances and variables and legally speaking, there is no
precedent -setting regardless of what is decided. Each property is adjudicated on its own
merits, on its own behalf.
When asked by Commissioner Kelly about any recourse for Mr. Thomas, PCDD Askew
explained that a variance would be required for anyone to build in the setback.
G. Closing Comments/Rebuttal
Mr. Skaff provided closing remarks.
H. Commission Deliberation and Action
Commissioner Bole commented that Code Secs. 24-108 and 24-68 are clear to him.
Commissioner Kelly noted that they are not just asking for one variance.
Commissioner Ring expressed empathy for the applicants and explained that the
Commission has to follow the Code as it's written. She suggested that an option could be
for the applicant to seek legal counsel on the previous owners.
Commissioner Waters commented on the criteria necessary to approve the variance and
on not finding a way to approve it.
Mayor Ford asked PCDD Askew if the Commission were to deny, would they have
latitude to give the applicants enough time to pursue legal action against other parties, if
desired. PCDD Askew explained that they can be lenient and make accommodations as
long as the applicant is working with the City.
Commissioner Ring asked whether all the pavers would have to be removed, if the
variance was not approved. PCDD Askew confirmed that the covered porch and all of
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Attest:
the pavers would have to be removed and answered additional questions. She noted the
code enforcement process and confirmed that you cannot ask for the same variance
within 365 days.
There was a brief discussion about the pergola and the need to follow the Code.
MOTION: To deny the request for all three variances.
Motion: Michael Waters
Second. Bruce Bole
Curtis Ford
For
Bruce Bole (Seconded By)
For
Michael Waters (Moved By)
For
Candace Kelly
Against
Jessica Ring
For
Motion passed 4 to L
Mayor Ford reiterated his concern for the applicants and his suggestion to seek legal counsel
against the other parties. Mayor Ford asked staff to give all due accord to provide the applicant
with ample time to seek remedy, because part of this is a financial issue. He also apologized to
the applicants for not being able to grant the request.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 6:21 p.m.
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Donna L. Bartle, City Clerk is ord, ayor
Date Approved: 311112-0
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Attachment A
APP23�0002 to 10-30-2023 Minutes
1110 Scheidel Court
Requestfor an appeal of the Community
Development Board (CD8) decision for ZVAR23-
0016 for
avariance to Section 24-108(e) & (f)
to reduce the minimum rear & side yard
setback, increase the maximum impervious
surface area, and Section 24-68 required on-
site water retention to allow an existing
unpermitted covered patio at 1110 Scheidel
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Site Context and Details to 10-30-2023 Minutes
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The CDB denied the request finding that the
request did not meet any of the required factors
in Section 24-65(c) for approval.
LDR allows appeal of the final decision of CDB by any
adversely affected person(s)
Appeals are de novo (start from the beginning). As if,
the CDB hearing had not occurred.
Per 24-49(b) the applicant must indicate that the
decisions of the CDB being appealed is in conflict with or
in violation of Chapter 24.
According to the applicant's application the grounds for
appeal is the following:
"Variance denial for our Pergola in regards to our hardship."
Background
The applicant purchased
the property in Jan. 2022
with the unpermitted
work existing on the lot.
On Sept. 27,2022, a stop
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for construction of a
covered porch without a
permit, construction of a
fence without a permit,
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max. 6 -foot fence height
in the rear yard.
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Attachment A
Proposed exisiring Workto 10-30-2023 Minutes
Per aerial images, the work was completed in 2021.
The unpermitted covered porch is located in the rear yard 3.8 feet
from the rear property line, 5 feet from the side (south) property
line, and 5.5 feet from the side (north) property line.
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Attachment A
Need for Variance - Setbackg-30-2023 Minutes
In the RG -M zoning district, the rear yard setback is 20 feet and side
yard setbacks are 7.5 feet on each side.
According to Section 24-151(b)(2)(f), structures located closer than 5
feet to the principal structure shall be considered attached and meet
the setbacks of the zoning district.
The applicant is requesting a variance from the rear and side yard
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Need for Variance — Impervious Surface Area
Section 108(f)(1) states, "where lawfully
existing structures and improvements
on a parcel exceed this applicable
percentage, redevelopment of such
parcels or additions/modifications to
such structures and improvements shall
not exceed the pre-existing impervious
surface percentage". The post -
construction lot coverage was 51%
impervious.
Pavers and covered patios are considerd
100% impervious.
The 2022 survey shows the property at
75.6% impervious surface area. The
applicant is requesting a variance to all
the increase in impervious surface area. �.
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Stormwater Retention
Section 24-68(b)(2) requires on-
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that increase the impervious
surface area on the property by
more than 250 square feet.
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RECAP-CDB Final Decision to 10-30-2023 Minutes
Denied the variance request finding that the request
did not meet the grounds for approval of a variance
as established in Section 24-65(c).
Exceptional topographic conditions of or near the property.
Surrounding conditions or circumstances impacting the property
disparately from nearby properties.
Exceptional circumstances preventing the reasonable use of the
property as compared to other properties in the area.
Onerous effect of regulations enacted after platting or after
development of the property or after construction of
improvement upon the property.
Irregular shape of the property warranting special consideration.
Substandard size of a lot of record warranting a variance in order
to provide for the reasonable use of the property.
Attachment A
Grounds for Decision to 10-30-2023 Minutes
APPROVAL: existence of DENIAL:
one or more of the following May consider a denial upon finding
Section 24-65 (c) that none of the requirements in
24-65 (c) exist.
Exceptional topographic conditions of
or near the property.
Surrounding conditions or
circumstances impacting the property
disparately from nearby properties.
Exceptional circumstances preventing
the reasonable use of the property as
compared to other properties in the
area.
Onerous effect of regulations enacted
after platting or after development of
the property or after construction of
improvement upon the property.
Irregular shape of the property
warranting special consideration.
Substandard size of a lot of record
warranting a variance in order to
provide for the reasonable use of the
property.
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