6-27-16 Workshop Minutes MINUTES OF WORKSHOP OF
ATLANTIC BEACH CITY COMMISSION HELD ON JUNE 27, 2016
PRESENT: Mayor Mitchell E. Reeves
Commissioner Mitchell Harding
Commissioner Jimmy Hill
Commissioner John Stinson
Commissioner Blythe Waters
STAFF: Nelson Van Liere, City Manager
Michael Deal, Police Chief
Don Jacobovitz, Public Works Director
Donna L. Bartle, City Clerk
Call to order
Mayor Reeves called the meeting to order at 5:05 p.m. He explained the procedure for the workshop.
Public Works Director Don Jacobovitz explained the purpose of his presentation is to show the primary
and alternate routes selected for the Safe Routes to School Project; not to discuss needs for sidewalks in
other places throughout the city. He indicated he would be staying around after his presentation if
anyone would like to talk about a sidewalk or use the available maps to draw on to show any place you
think we need a sidewalk.
Mr. Jacobovitz showed a revised slide presentation(which is attached and made part of this Official
Record as Attachment A). He explained the purpose of the program, the desired outcomes,the five
components which are engineering, education, encouragement, enforcement, and evaluation and urged
the public to be involved in the program.
(Commissioner Waters arrived at 5:12 p.m.)
Mr. Jacobovitz described the two route options: Original Route- east side of Seminole Road and Sherry
Drive from Ahern Street to 17th Street, and Alternate Route- west side of Seminole Road from Plaza to
15th Street and explained the pros and cons of each.
He explained the path shown on the map and the timeline of the project.
Mayor Reeves asked if the Commission wanted to take a look at the maps which were displayed on the
tables in the Chamber, but it was determined they had the same maps in their packet. He explained the
procedure for the workshop to Commissioner Waters and opened the discussion.
Commissioner Hill stated he felt that this project got off in the wrong direction immediately; believes it
was a well-intended idea to use found money to add an amenity that already exists. He explained the
bulk of our bicycling and pedestrian students are coming from the west of the school and not east as they
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once did. He stated there are no routes other than Plaza that come west of Seminole Road. If you go to
the Elementary School on any given day, 90% of the child pick-up traffic is on the back corner next to
the park where the largest bulk of people travel across the crosswalks and to the bikes. He suggested
tying into the existing route on the west side of Seminole Road connecting it to the controlled crosswalk
where there is already a paved crossing attendant to get the kids safely across there, taking it straight
down that side road and taking it west as far as we can. He stated he is an advocate of tying it to the
park but people don't want to take it off the street completely. He further stated, the route suggested
takes you past side roads which he believes are dangerous roads. He reiterated his desire to shift this
project west.
Commissioner Waters asked Commissioner Hill to explain the route he was suggesting which he did.
Commissioner Waters asked Mr. Jacobovitz about whether there was enough right-of-way to widen the
sidewalk that exist where the school crossing is to 8 feet. Mr. Jacobovitz stated he did not know stating
he did have the consultant look at the roads in the city that would avail themselves to being a safe route
to the school and the consultant suggested going down Sherry Drive and Seminole Road. Commissioner
Hill explained that at a minimum, he advocates taking Seaspray with a bike path to Seminole Road and
beyond if it will go because that is where most of our traffic is coming from, and connecting it back this
direction to the existing bike paths that merge right here at this intersection at Plaza and Seminole Road.
Commissioner Waters commented on Commissioner Hill's suggested route and Commissioner Hill
answered questions. Commissioner Waters asked Mr. Jacobovitz about segmenting the path and Mr.
Jacobovitz explained that segmenting is not recommended since they would like a continuous path for
the students to walk and the path would have to stay within a 2-mile radius. Mayor Reeves suggested we
hear some other opinions as to the choice of path, and not focus solely on Commissioner Hill's
suggestion. Commissioner Waters believed it may be possible to get more sidewalk out of the grant
money by tying Seminole Road into the existing ped path and making a path that goes west as
Commissioner Hill suggested.
Mayor Reeves agreed that children travel from the west and explained his suggestion for the route to
have a path in front of the school from Atlantic Blvd. to the five-way stop on Sherry Drive, down Plaza
all the way to Mayport Road and also, out the back gate to Seminole Road which is where we already
have a project. He stated his main concerns are with Sherry Drive and the concrete poles.
Commissioner Stinson asked how the trees that would have to be mitigated. Mr. Jacobovitz said there
are four trees that are in front 415 Sherry Drive that would be mitigated by planting trees in other areas
in the city. Commissioner Stinson also asked about the pervious/impervious restrictions and the
calculations. Mr. Jacobovitz stated we have not done a calculation because when you put an 8-foot wide
sidewalk in the right-a-way, it is way less than the 50% and also the City is not bound by the same
requirements. Commissioner Stinson believed that there should be sidewalks to the west and on Sherry
Drive and suggested instead of using Seminole Road, that Selva Marina Drive or Park Terrace be
options to consider.
Commissioner Harding stated he has been against putting in another sidewalk on Seminole Road
directly across from the existing sidewalk, but realizes there should be widening and repairs made to
them. He believes the alternate plan would better serve the citizens, but also agrees the east — west
routes need to be addressed.
Commissioner Waters stated she supports the original proposed route and explained why adding that a
lot of the citizens spoke out in support of the original path.
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Discussion ensued. Commissioner Hill stated he does not believe $96,000 will cover this project and is
not in favor of committing extra money to spend on sidewalks in the current environment.
Commissioner Stinson believes the city should be held to the pervious /impervious requirements just as
the citizens are and explained the reality of children crossing the road whether there is a path or not. He
also believes that putting a sidewalk on a busy street is not the smartest thing to do.
Mayor Reeves stated we need to decide whether we should move it to the agenda to make a decision on
some type of route and take advantage of the grant, explaining if we don't, we need to walk away as
soon as possible without any additional investment.
Commissioner Hill asked Mr. Jacobovitz to contact the School Board about the gate that is being locked
occasionally.
Commissioner Blythe commented on the pervious /impervious issue and explained the citizens were in
favor of taking advantage of this grant money, so we should go forward.
Mayor Reeves asked Mr. Jacobovitz if he could come up with a plan that would please everyone. Mr.
Jacobovitz stated it may be feasible and agreed to check to see if another route or routes could be done
and tied together. He explained he would need to check the other right-of-ways on the other streets to
see if they are wide enough for a multipurpose path. There was discussion about the need for historical
and current data to show where the students are coming from and how they are traveling to school.
Mayor Reeves agreed to coordinate a meeting with the School District Representative Scott Shine to
help obtain information. Commissioner Hill suggested they ask the school for a possible solution to the
traffic problems on Sherry Drive that occurs when the school lets out. .
Adjournment
There being no further discussion by the City Commission, Mayor Reeves encouraged the citizens that
want to speak about the Safe Routes to Schools to do so at the regular meeting later tonight and take this
time to come up and look at the maps and speak with Mr. Jacobovitz. The meeting adjourned at 6:04
p.m.
ATTEST Mitchell E. Reeves
Mayor/Presiding Officer
,ODIVNA
Donna L. Bartle, CMC
City Clerk
ATTACHMENT A
Commission Workshop
Minutes 6-25-2016
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