12-04-84 v MINUTES OF THE ADVISORY PLANNING BOARD
CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA
December 4, 1984
7 : 00 P .M.
City Hall
PRESENT : W. Gregg McCaulie , Chairman
Mrs . Ruth Gregg
Guy M. Jennings
Ron D. Gray
AND: Commissioner John W. Morris , Jr .
A. William Moss , City Manager
Rene' Angers , Recording Secretary
AND: Richard Prosser
Phil Grenville
Don Meuse
Doug Miller
Carol McClelland
Rosario Recupito
The meeting was called to order by Chairman McCaulie at 7 : 00
p .m. There being no corrections or comments to be made to the
minutes of the meeting of August 21, 1984, Ron Gray motioned
that they be approved as presented. Guy Jennings seconded the
motion. Chairman McCaulie declared them approved as presented.
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NEW BUSINESS
Item #1 - Request for rezoning of a 29 . 5 acre tract of land
bounded by Eleventh Street , Plaza , Royal Palms Unit I , and
the lagoon; from Open Rural and Residential General-2 to a
Planned Unit Development ; submitted by Reyhani Construction,
Inc. , and Grenville and Meuse Construction Company .
Guy Jennings declared a conflict of interest and stated that
he would abstain from voting .
Richard Prosser , BHR Planning Group , 2000 Corporate Square,
stated that he represented the applicants in the rezoning
request. Mr. Prosser stated that they wished to rezone the
property for the purpose of 170 townhouse units ; 85 buildings .
He stated that the project would have 16% ground coverage ,
well below the allowable 35%. He stated that the density
would be between 5 and 6 units per acre, each unit having
aproximately 1 , 100 square feet of living area and a two car
garage. He stated that they would be within a middle
income price range ,approximately $70-$100 ,000 . 00 per unit .
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Mr. Prosser added that the development would be constructed
in four phases .
Chairman McCaulie opened the floor for discussion from the
audience.
Henry Gartland, 1140 Seminole Road, asked if the developers
would also be clearing the land in phases . Phil Grenville
replied that it would not be cost effective to clear the
entire property at once and that it would be done in phases .
Mr. Prosser added that the units would not be visible from
the lagoon, that there would be at least 150 ' of dense
vegitation that would remain as a buffer along the lagoon.
Residents expressed concern that the storm water retention
areas remain in their natural state as much as possible ,
noting the existing wildlife in the area.
Ed Ras , 1090 Seminole Road, asked what was planned for the
recreation area. Mr. Prosser replied that it would be
passive recreation and that they may have a pool or a tennis
court on the east side of the project .
Steve Fouraker, 387 Sixth Street , asked whether the land had
been zoned Open Rural in order to encourage a Planned Unit
Development or to maintain its OR status , Mr , Moss stated
that it was intended to encourage a P . U. D.
Commissioner Morris asked if the applicants were committing
to a two car garage and 1 , 100 square feet per unit . Mr .
Prosser stated that each unit would have a two car garage
and that they planned to have 1 , 100 square feet per unit , but
they would rather commit to 1 , 000 square feet per unit .
Commissioner Morris suggested a compromise of 1 , 050 square
feet per unit .
Ed Ras asked what method in ingress would be used for
construction purposes , stating that he did not want dump
trucks using Eleventh Street for the next five years . He
suggested that another route be used, possibly the westerly
easement .
Mr. Moss asked if this project would have covenants and
restrictions similar to those in Selva Marina Unit #3 ,
directly across the lagoon. Mr . Prosser stated that they
would have covenants and restrictions and that they would
probably be more restrictive than those in Selva Marina Unit #3 .
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Ruth Gregg expressed concern for the traffic problems on
Plaza. She was also concerned about having a swimming
pool in the development , noting how noisy they are.
Mr. Moss asked the proposed completion time for the
development . Phil Grenville replied that they would like
five years for completion time and asked that the City
take into consideration the existing sewer moratorium,
and stated that they may not be able to begin construction
for two years due to the moritorium.
Ron Gray motioned to recommend approval of the rezoning
request subject to the following provisions ;
1. ) That the storm water retention area remain, as much
as possible , in its present natural state .
2 . ) That the minimum square footage of the units be
1 ,050 sq. ft. and that each unit provide a two car garage .
3. ) That during construction the developer attempt to
have construction vehicles access the property from other
than Eleventh Street .
4. ) That the covenants and restrictions address the use
of the lagoon and that they be similar to those which
exist in Selva Marina Unit #3 , directly across the lagoon.
5 . ) That the time limit for the completion of the development
be five years from the passage of the ordinance, with the
consideration that the developers may be constrained by the
existing sewer moritorium.
6 . ) That the road on the westerly boundary of the property
be designated as a public right-of-way rather than an
easement .
Chairman McCaulie seconded the motion. The motion carried,
Ruth Gregg and Ron Gray voted in favor of the request ,
Gregg McCaulie voted against the request and Guy Jennings
abstained from voting .
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Item #2 - Request for rezoning of approximately 8 . 5 acres
along the northerly city limit line between Seminole Road
and Selva Marina Drive (extended) ; from Open Rural to RS-1
(Residential-Single Family) ; submitted by Selva Developers , Inc .
Doug Miller , England-Thims & Miller , 4800 Beach Boulevard,
stated that he represented the developer . He stated that
they proposed a residential community that exceeds the
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requirements of RS-1 zoning and that is compatible with
Selva Norte and Selva Marina Gardens Subdivisions .
He stated that the developers were simultaneously applying
for rezoning for the remainder of the project , north of the
Atlantic Beach city limits , with the City of Jacksonville .
Mr . Miller stated that there would be approximately 275
units in the entire project and that approximately 12 lots
would be partially or completely in the City of Atlantic
Beach. He stated that the density would be approximately
2 . 5 units per acre . He added that there would be a natural
buffer adjacent to Selva Marina Gardens and Selva Norte,
and that there would be a 200 ' natural buffer along Seminole
Road. He stated that the development would be constructed
in 3 - 100 lot phases over a 3-5 year period. He added that
the minimum lot size would be 80 ' x 102 ' ; the majority
being 100 ' x 150 ' . He stated that this would be a very high
income development .
Guy Jennings reminded the Board of a previous proposal to
have approximately 800 units on the same property .
Commissioner Morris asked if the lakes were existing. Doug
Miller replied that they would have to be created in order
to satisfy the drainage requirements of the St. Johns Water
Management District .
Mr. Miller stated that the City of Atlantic Beach would have
no maintenance responsibilities as the streets would all be
located in the City of Jacksonville .
Mr. Moss stated that it should be determined how fire and
police protection and garbage pick up would be provided,
and noted that in some cases one half of a house would be in
the City of Atlantic Beach and one half in the City of
Jacksonville. Mr. Miller suggested that the City Attorney
be consulted.
Guy Jennings asked for the projected market value. Mr.
Miller replied that the lots would be priced between $30 ,000 .
and $35 , 000. and that the houses would probably be priced
from $125 ,000 . and up .
Connie Miller, 430 Garden Lane , expressed concern about the
traffic on Seminole Road. She was also concerned about the
safety of the lakes to the area children and stated that she
didn' t think they were necessary . Doug Miller replied
that the lakes are a regulatory requirement and that they
would be built according to the Federal Housing Administration's
guidelines for lakes in residential areas .
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Steve Fouraker asked if there would be a tree preservation
policy in the development . Mr. Miller replied that in
addition to the natural buffers there would be covenants
and restrictions addressing tree preservation, similar to
those in Selva Norte.
Guy Jennings motioned to recommend approval of the request.
Ron Gray seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
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Item #3 - Request for "Use by Exception" for on premises
consumption of beer and wine at Rosario ' s Pizza; submitted
by Rosario Recupito .
Carol McClelland of Candler Development Corporation stated
that the applicants are the same people that own Capriccio ' s
Restaurant and that under a seperate corporate name they
would like to open a pizza and deli-sandwich type restaurant .
She stated that it would be mostly take-out orders and that
the beer and wine would be for those eating in the restaurant .
Guy Jennings motioned to recommend approval of the use by
exception. Ruth Gregg seconded the motion which carried
unanimously.
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Item #4 - Policy Determination; Paving of Public Right-of-Way
Ruth Gregg stated that she was totally against the paving
of public right-of-way and suggested that it be made into
an ordinance.
Mr. Moss stated that no one has the right to do anything on
public right-of-way without approval and wasn ' t sure if an
ordinance was necessary.
Guy Jennings asked the procedure used by the State for paving
public right-of-way. Doug Miller replied that to do any
work in any state right-of-way you must first obtain a
right-of-way permit , approved construction plans , a permit
to construct , and a bond.
Gregg McCaulie stated that it should be prescribed in an
ordinance what can and cannot be done on public right-of-ways .
He added that he ' d rather be "safe than sorry" in passing an
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ordinance that is not actually necessary.
Ron Gray motioned to recommend that an ordinance be passed
requiring permits for the use of public right-of-way and
that it be the general policy to deny indiscriminate
paving of the public right-of-way. The Board members
unanimously agreed to the recommendation.
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MISCELLANEOUS BUSINESS
Reconsideration of "Use by Exception" - Sunrise Community
Evangelical Free Church
Mr. Moss stated that the church had planned to ask the
Board to reconsider the use by exception that was granted
them subject to Cornell Lane being used for access to the
property . Mr. Moss stated that the church could not get
the necessary plans together for the meeting.
No action taken.
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There being no further business before the Board, Chairman
McCaulie adjourned the meeting at 10 : 27 p .m.
W. Gregg McCaulie , Chairman