04-19-83 v •
MINUTES OF THE ADVISORY PLANNING BOARD
OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA
April 19, 1983
7:00 P.M.
City Hall
PRESENT: W. Gregg McCaulie, Chairman
Ron Gray
Ruth Gregg
Guy Jennings
John W. Morris, Jr. , Commissioner
AND: John M. Widdows, Building Inspector
Laurie Stucki, Recording Secretary
AND: Mr. Louis MacDonnell
Mr. Burton Revels
Mr. John Woleslagle
Mrs. John Woleslagle
Ms. Janet Palmer
Mr. Marshall Dutton
Mr. Jim4- 1`
Mr. Phil Robinson
Mr. Dan Martin
Ms. Rita Ray
The meeting was called to order at 7:04 p.m. by Mr. Ron Gray, who explained that
Chairman McCaulie was not yet present and in light of the possible heavy agenda
and the number of people in the audience, he would take the chair until Chairman
McCaulie arrived.
Mr. Gray then asked the Board to direct their attention to the minutes of the
previous meeting of March 22, 1983. He asked for any corrections or objections
to the minutes as presented; there were none. A call was made for a motion to
approve the minutes as presented. Mr. Guy Jennings made the following motion:
To approve the minutes of the meeting of March 22, 1983 as presented.
Mrs. Ruth Gregg seconded the motion, which passed unanimously.
Mr. Gray then turned the chair over to Chairman McCaulie who had arrived.
Chairman McCaulie asked the Board to turn their attention to Item #f1 on the
agenda:
Request for change in zoning classification from CG to RG3 Multi-Family for
property off of Mayport Road and the closing of West Plaza by Mr. L. B. MacDonnell.
Chairman McCaulie asked Mr. MacDonnell to identify himself and provide any
additional information on the proposed rezoning request. Mr. MacDonnell
ADVISORY PLANNING BOARD
April 19, 1983
PAGE 2
introduced himself as the agent for the owners of the property, Lillian and
John Piombo, and explained that they had a contract for sale of the property
to Cardinal Industries. This contract was contingent on getting the change
of zoning classification. He introduced Mr. Burton Revels of Cardinal
Industries who had materials and brochures of other Cardinal Industries
developments that would be similar to this development project. Mr. MacDonnell
went on to explain that he felt that the area would be better utilized with
a Multi-Family zone than the Commercial zone since it is behind commercial
property and in front of residential property and could serve as a buffer
between the two. He also spoke of the need for the closing of the road in
between the four blocks in question. He stated that there was confusion about
which road that was--his map listed it as West 12th Street, and the City
zoning map listed it as West Plaza. After much discussion on the subject,
it was determined that it was, in fact, West Plaza. Mr. MacDonnell said
that it was not really a road now, but that he believed that they still needed
permission to close it. Mr. MacDonnell also stated that the other Cardinal
Industries projects in Jacksonville were beautiful projects; they were well
maintained, and this project would be quite similar.
Chairman McCaulie asked Mr. MacDonnell if the developer had a site plan yet;
they did not, but said that it would be ready very soon. Mr. Revels explained
to the Board that Cardinal Industries did not do site plans this early in
the project, but that when finished, the site plans would show 64 rental
units in 4 acres (16 units/acre) which was well within the City of Atlantic
Beach's Land Development Code requirements. He also stated that the develop-
ment would be landscaped and well maintained and would be a very attractive
addition to Mayport Road. Mr. Revels also informed the Board that Cardinal
Industries intended to complete the paving of West 11th Street back as far
as needed to provide ingress and egress to the development. He also stated
that they planned to extend the sewer from West 11th Street to West 8th
Street at their own expense, since that is the closest place they could tie
in to City sewer lines to service their development.
There was a general discussion on the ingress and egress to the development;
the fact that the only entrance would be on West 11th Street. Mr. Revels
explained that multiple entrances to developments such as this can constitute
a traffic hazard in that people use some of the entrances as a cut through
from one road to another, and it is potentially dangerous.
Chairman McCaulie called for questions or comments from the members of the
audience regarding this item on the agenda; there were none. He then asked
for couuuents from the Board. Mr. Jennings commented on the fact that the
community has a need for housing units due to the military, and this would
serve a community need. He also agreed that it would create a good buffer
between the residential area to the rear and the commercial property in
front.
Mr. Morris questioned the residents' feelings if the surrounding commercial
property was developed into convenience stores and shopping centers. Mr.
Revels assured the Board that the marketing program of Cardinal Industries
developments depends on the surrounding area being commercial, because they
promote the asset of being within walking distance to shopping areas.
ADVISORY PLANNING BOARD
April 19, 1983
PAGE 3
Chairman McCaulie then asked if there were any additional questions; there
were none, so he then called 'for a motion. Mr. Guy Jennings made the following
motion:
To recommend to the City- Commission to approve the zoning change from
CG to RG3 Multi-Family aid to close West Plaza.
Mrs. Ruth Gregg seconded the motion, which passed unanimously.
Chairman McCaulie requested the Board to move on to Item #2 on the agenda:
Request for change in zoning classification from RS2 to RG1 for two lots in
the Saltair subdivision by Mr. & Mrs. John Woleslagle and Watson Realty.
Mr. Guy Jennings stated that he would abstain from discussion and voting due
to a conflict of interest.
Chairman McCaulie then asked the representative of Watson Realty to identify
herself and state any additional comments she might have concerning the
proposed zoning change.
Janet Palmer of Watson Realty introduced herself and the owners of the property,
Mr. and Mrs. John Woleslagle and explained that they had a contract for the
sale of the property that was contingent on getting the property rezoned from
single family to duplex. She also informed the Board that the buyer and builder
would be Grenville and Meuse Construction Co. who builds many residences
in Atlantic Beach. Ms. Palmer stated that G & M does high quality work and
the townhomes would blend in nicely with the surrounding neighborhood. She
also said that the property has been listed with Watson for over a year, and
they have not been able to get a buyer because of the zoning.
Chairman McCaulie asked the Board for any comments or questions; there were
none, so he then asked the audience for their comments.
Mr. Marshall Dutton of 176 Magnolia Street introduced himself as the spokesman
for the neighborhood group in attendance. He introduced all the members of
the neighborhood that were present. He stated that they had all been at the
Commission meeting last year when the subject of rezoning part of the single
family district of Saltair was brought up, and it was their understanding
that there would never be any rezoning of that area. He cited crowded
parking conditions and additional trash and mess associated with duplex areas.
Mr. Jim Byrd of 297 Magnolia added that the master plan for the Saltair sub-
division has a good balance of single family homes and duplexes, and there
was no need for any spot zoning to upset this balance. Mr. Phil Robinson of
212 Magnolia said that he bought his property knowing where the duplex line
was and that he was buying into a single family district. Mr. Dan Martin of
197 Pine Street also said that he had bought his property with the knowledge
that it was a single family district, and he expected it to stay that way.
He also said that he felt that the property values would decrease if duplexes
were built in the single family zone.
ADVISORY PLANNING BOARD
April 19, 1983
PAGE 4
Ms. Palmer said that she would like to add that there has been no problem in
selling single family homes that are near duplexes; they sell just as easily
as if they were around other •single family homes.
Chairman McCaulie asked if there were any more questions or comments from the
Board. Mrs. Gregg said that she agreed with the residents about the crowded
parking conditions prevalent in the duplex area. Mr. Morris added that he
would like to commend the residents for being interested enough in their
neighborhood to come out and voice their concerns.
Chairman McCaulie asked if there was a motion; Mr. Ron Gray made the follow-
ing motion:
To disapprove the request for the change of zoning classification
from RS2 to RG1.
Chairman McCaulie seconded the motion, and it passed unanimously.
The Chairman then asked the Board to direct their attention to Item 413
on the agenda:
Site Plan Review for Atlantic Village Shopping Center (Publix)
Chairman McCaulie acknowledged the presence of Atlantic Beach's Building Inspec-
tor, Mr. John Widdows, and the engineer on the project for the City, Mr.
Doug Miller of England & Thims. He then asked Mr. Dyer of Publix to identify
himself and to answer any questions the Board might have. A discussion ensued
concerning the parking facilities and handicapped parking spaces and ramps at
the proposed shopping center. Mr. Dyer assured the Board that there would be
ample parking and handicapped facilities. Mrs. Gregg then brought up the
problem of the probable traffic congestion on Royal Palms Drive with the two
entrances and exits on that street. The subject of access onto Aquatic Drive
was also brought up with Mr. Dyer stating that the DOT had instructed the
developer to make that access on Aquatic Drive. The Planning Board had the
understanding that Aquatic Drive was a private street, and permission would
have to be granted before an access could be made onto Aquatic Drive. A
lengthy discussion also took place concerning the drainage and excess outfall
from the shopping center. Mr. Doug Miller reiterated the point that there
would be a great deal of excess runoff from the center, but that Atlantic
Beach does not have a storm water ordinance, so the City has no grounds to
tell the shopping center developer to do anything more than he has already
done about the drainage.
Chairman McCaulie asked if there were any additional comments or questions to
be directed to Mr. Dyer; there were none. He then made the suggestion that
the City Commission direct its attention to the following concerns discussed
by the Advisory Planning Board:
1. The potential traffic congestion on Royal Palms Drive with the two
entrances and exits to the shopping center in addition to the existing
driveways from Pic N' Save, Jax Liquors, the Post Office, and the Acute
Care Center.
,0.
ADVISORY PLANNING BOARD
April 19, 1983
PAGE 5
2. The question of access onto Aquatic Drive. The Board made the suggestion
that the developer or his representative be present at the next City
Commission meeting to clarify the agreement (if there is one) between
the developer of Aquatic Gardens and Publix about the access to Aquatic
Drive.
3. The problem of excess runoff and drainage from the shopping center. The
potential problem being that the surrounding area could be flooded with
this excess stormwater.
Chairman McCaulie asked if there was any new business pertaining to the Advisory
Planning Board; there was none.
Mr. Gray made a motion to adjourn; Mrs. Gregg seconded it. Chairman McCaulie
declared the meeting adjourned at 9:02 p.m.
L(1030C,'
Gre g i, :ulie, Chairman