05-21-85 v MINUTES OF THE ADVISORY PLANNING BOARD
CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA
May 21, 1985
CITY HALL
7:00 P.M.
PRESENT: W. Gregg McCaulie, Chairman
Commissioner John W. Norris, Jr.
Ruth Gregg
Guy M. Jennings
Ron Gray
AND: Rene' Angers, Secretary
AND: Gene Floyd
L.B. MacDonell
Roger O'Steen
Ned Searcy
ABSENT: Richard C. Fellows, City Manager
The meeting was called to order at 7;03 p.m. by Chairman McCaulie.
He announced that approval of the minutes of the last meeting would
be deferred until the next meeting.
The Chair called the Board's attention to the New Business before the
Board.
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NEW BUSINESS
Item #1 - Request for Use by Exception - Gene Floyd; Contractor with
no outside storage in CG zoning, 533-L8 Atlantic Boulevard
Mr. Gene Floyd, 501 Hopkins Street, Neptune Beach, stated that he was
requesting a use by exception in order to have an answering service
to receive calls for his pressure washing and minor home repair
business.
Commissioner Norris asked if he planned to store equipment or supplies
outside of the office and the length of time he wanted the use by
exception.
Mr. Floyd stated that there would be no storage and that he would need
the use by exception for approximately 9 months, at which time he hoped
to move the office to a properly zoned location.
Commissioner Nbrris asked if he proposed to have any signs or
advertising on the property that would attract customers and generate
additional traffic.
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Mr. Floyd replied that there would be no signs or advertising on the
property.
Commissioner Morris stated that he had no objection to the request but
felt that a time limit should be imposed. Chairman McCaulie did not
believe a time limit could be placed on a use by exception.
There being no further comments, Guy Jennings motioned to recommend
approval of the use by exception. Ron Gray seconded the motion which
carried unanimously.
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Chairman McCaulie announced that he had received the "Guide of the
Sunshine Amendment" in the mail and suggested that the Board members
take time to read it.
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OLD BUSINESS
Item #1 - Request for Rezoning - Bull Brothers, LTD.
Commissioner Morris stated that there had been some changes since the
Advisory Planning Board reviewed the request so the City Commission
referred the request back to the Advisory Planning Board for re-review.
Commissioner Morris stated that he understood that the portion between
parcels #2 and #4 is now a part of the project. He asked Mr. MacDonell,
agent for the Bulls, if that was correct.
Mr. MacDonell stated that the portion between parcels #2 and #4 is
under contract and they have an option on it.
Guy Jennings stated that he wasn't present at the last meeting, but
the request seemed to be consistent with what the Board had been trying
to accomplish on Mayport Road. He asked Mr. MacDonell if the property
backs up to Sevilla and what the total amount of acreage is for the
property.
Mr. MacDonell stated that George Helow owns the property that backs up
to Sevilla and that the property totals approximately 31-32 acres.
He stated that they want to develop all three parcels in harmony.
Mr. MacDonell stated that the Board was concerned with the density of
RG-2. He stated that RG-1 permits 17.7 units per acre and that RG-2
permits 14.4 units per acre. He added that the Board was also concerned
with only one access to the development. He stated that Fred Bullard's
property to the north also has only one access and that it could be their
cannon advantage to possibly have an emergency exit through the properties.
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Roger O'Steen, Stokes-O'Steen, 9000 Cypress Green Drive, stated that his
company has three projects in St. Johns County that have between 250 and
350 units and only one entrance. He added that another project will have
450 units and only one entrance. He stated that another crossing would
cost approximately $200,000.00 which would be an extra $6,000.00 per
acre. He stated that an extra $6,000.00 per acre is the difference in
doing a project and not doing a project.
Guy Jennings stated that the area needs inexpensive housing that is done
well or Mayport Road will end up with more trailer parks.
Ron Gray felt that by granting the RG-2 zoning, the City was giving the
developers a "blank check". He stated that with a Planned Unit Development
there would be a cap on the density and having a second access may not be
as important.
The applicants discussed the possibility of re-applying for a Planned Unit
Development. Roger O'Steen asked the Board if they would be permitted to
withdraw the RG-2 request on parcels #2 and #4 and return at a later date
with a request for a Planned Unit Development that would show density and
some simulation of the traffic.
Ned Searcy, Stokes-O'Steen, asked if they would need permission from the
owner of the middle parcel to apply for the Planned Unit Development. He
stated that they would be asking the owner to down zone his property
prior to closing on the property.
Commissioner Morris stated that they would need permission from the owner
and directed them to Section 24-130 of the Zoning and Subdivision Regulations
which states the procedure and required submittals for rezoning under a
Planned Unit Development.
Ron Gray stated that if the entire property is approved for a Planned Unit
Development and the applicants do not close on the middle property, we no
longer have a Planned Unit Development. He felt that the property may revert
back to the original zoning. The Board asked that the City Attorney be
consulted.
Guy Jennings motioned to recommend approval of the CG zoning on parcels #1
and #3, and that the Board defer ruling, at the request of the applicants,
on parcels #2 and #4, subject to the applicants returning with a request
for a Planned Unit Development. Ron Gray seconded the motion. There being
no further discussion on the matter, Chairman McCaulie called a vote. The
motion carried unanimously.
Item #2 - Consideration to Amend the Definition of Lot Coverage
Chairman McCaulie asked the Secretary to give some background information
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on the item for consideration.
The Secretary stated that the City's parking requirements make it almost
impossible to conform to the lot coverage requirement , which includes
all impervious surfaces. She stated that the offstreet parking cannot be
located in the front setback, therefore, there will be a 40' strip of
concrete in the front yard.
Ruth Gregg asked where the greenery would come from if the City didn't
prohibit people frau paving their lots. Guy Jennings felt that there
would be greenery because people desire it, not because the City legislates
it.
After a brief discussion Guy Jennings motioned to recommend that the
maximum lot coverage be 35%, structures only; and that the location
requirements for offstreet parking be amended to permit parking in the
front setback. Ron Gray seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
Item #3 - Consideration to Amend Definition of Lot, corner
The Secretary stated that residents had complained because their corner
lot in RS-2 zoning must have a setback of 72' on the interior side, while
the interior lot next door is only required to have a 5' setback. Her
recommendation was to keep the 15' exterior side setback on corner lots,
but amend the interior side setback to conform to the minimim, side yard
requirement of the district in which it is located. Corner lots in RS-2
would be required to have side setbacks of 15' and 5' , but corner lots in
RS-1 would still be required to have side setbacks of 15' and 72' .
After a brief discussion on the matter Ron Gray motioned to recommend
that the definition of Lot, corner be amended as per the recommendation of
the Secretary. Guy Jennings seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
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There being no further business before the Board, Ron Gray motioned to
adjourn. Guy Jennings seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
Chairman McCaulie declared the meeting adjourned at 9:25 p.m.
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