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MINUTES OF THE ADVISORY PLANNING BOARD
OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA
March 22, 1983
7:00 P.M.
City Hall
PRESENT: W. Gregg McCaulie, Chairman
Ron Gray
Ruth Gregg
Mayor Robert Persons, Jr.
AND: A. William Moss, City Manager
Laurie Stucki, Recording Secretary
AND: Mr. Mike Ash
Mr. Dale Westling
Mr. Doug Miller
The meeting was called to order at 7 p.m. by Chairman McCaulie who noted for
the record that Mayor Persons was present to fill the chair of Commissioner
John Morris, who was out of town, and that Guy Jennings was absent from the
meeting due to a conflict.
Chairman McCaulie then asked the Board to direct their attention to the
minutes of the meetings of January 25, 1983 and February 8, 1983. He asked
if there were any corrections or objections to those minutes as presented.
There were none, and Chairman McCaulie made the following motion:
To approve the minutes of the meetings of January 25, 1983 and March 8, 1983
as presented.
Mr. Ron Gray seconded the motion, which passed unanimously.
Chairman McCaulie then requested that the Board move on to new business and
directed them to Item #1 on the agenda:
Application for "Use by Exception" by Mr. Mike Ash to build mini-warehouses on
Atlantic Blvd.
Chairman McCaulie asked Mr. Ash to identify himself or his representative and
to state if they had any other comments to make in addition to the materials
they had submitted. Mr. Dale Westling, Mr. Ash's attorney, reviewed the two
areas of contention that led to the postponement of Mr. Ash's "Use by Exception"
application at the previous Advisory Planning Board meeting of February 8, 1983.
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Those areas of contention were: (1) The proposed site plan which was presented
did not meet the setback requirements of the City, and there was a need for more
aesthetically pleasing green area in the proposed complex; and (2) Whether or
not Mr. Ash had bound himself or his company in 1979 or 1980 to not seek further
extentions of the mini-warehouse complex that was proposed at that time.
Mr. Westling assured the Board that the new plans that were submitted at this
meeting did include the proper setback requirements as given to them by the
City Manager. He also presented color drawings of the proposed complex which
showed the added green areas, and he contended that the complex would be very
attractive to look at.
Mr. Westling addressed the second area of contention, and stated that Mr. Ash
had agreed not to seek any further extension of the mini-warehouse project
relative to Saratoge Circle. He further stated that the agreement is not in
any way relevant to the matter at hand. Mr. Westling also reiterated the point
that they felt that Mr. Ash was providing a benefit to the community of
Atlantic Beach by getting rid of a crime problem and replacing it with something
that was of great use to the residents, especially the military personnel stationed
in this area. He then asked that the Advisory Planning Board present a favorable
recommendation to the City Commission.
Chairman McCaulie asked if there was anyone in the audience who wished to
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address themselves to this issue. There was no one, so he then asked the
members of the Board or Mr. Moss if they had any questions about the proposal
Mr. Ash was submitting.
A general discussion ensued concerning commercial side yard setbacks, how the
proposed cloverleaf would possibly affect the property, access to and from the
warehouses, and the signs to be used at the complex.
Chairman McCaulie then called for any other questions or comments from the Board.
Mr. Moss advised Mr. Ash that if his plan was approved, he would then have to
meet the site plan requirements with the City Engineer; Mr. Ash replied that
he was aware of that.
Chairman McCaulie called for a motion to approve or disapprove the plan as
submitted by Mr. Ash.
Mrs. Ruth Gregg made the following motion:
To approve the revised plan in Mr. Ash's "Use by Exception" application.
Mr. Ron Gray seconded the motion, and it was approved unanimously.
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Chairman McCaulie asked the Board to direct their attention to the second item
on the agenda:
Proposed Deviations for the Fairway Villas development by Stokes & Co.
The Chairman asked for the representative from Stokes & Co. to identify himself
and to add any comments to supplement the materials the Board had received.
Mr. Doug Miller of England & Thims, the firm representing Stokes & Co. , commented
on the objectives of Stokes & Co. in this project. They wish to upgrade the
project that they had bought from Ahern and Associates by putting in larger and
higher income units. In order to do this, Stokes & Co. is requesting two modi-
fications to the original PUD as approved for Ahern & Co. These modifications
are:
(1) Adjust the front and rear setbacks to 15' rather than the original
20' to accommodate the larger units, and
(2) Eliminate the "T" turnarounds in the original plans, and replace them
with standard cul-de-sacs to give a better appearance and to discourage
any future through traffic in the area.
Chairman McCaulie asked for questions and comments from the Board.
Mr. Ron Gray asked about the precedence of buying and selling of an approved PUD
property, and Mr. Moss advised him that when a property is sold, the PUD status
goes with it. The buyer always has the right to try to make changes to the original
PUD.
Mr. Gray then brought up the subjects of the loss of the secondary access, the
separate ingress and egress, and the previously proposed playground area due to
the closing off of the north end of the development. Mrs. Gregg also added that
in case of fire, there would be no alternate way out of the subdivision.
A lengthy discussion ensued on these points with Mr. Miller reiterating the
point that from a traffic and a safety standpoint, there is no need for the
secondary access or separate ingress and egress. He felt that, in fact, it
would be detrimental to the project. Mayor Persons also noted that there
are even longer cul-de-sacs in Selva Tierra, and they do not seem to be
hazardous.
The subject of the playground area was discussed at great length with Mr. Miller
agreeing to donate one lot to combine with the green area for a playground area.
The determination of which lot and how they would combine the green areas with
it would be left up to the discretion of Stokes & Co. Mr. Miller also asked
that Stokes & Co. be allowed to give up a few extra feet from the playground
area to add to the lot(s) adjacent to the playground for the purpose of an
additional buffer.
Chairman McCaulie then asked for a motion to approve the proposed plan with•
some modifications.
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Mr. Ron Gray made the following motion:
To approve the modifications as presented by Stokes & Co. in their letter
of March 16, 1983 for the proposed deviations for Fairway Villas. This
includes the setbacks as they proposed them--15 feet front and rear, no
change in the side setbacks; eliminate the "T" turnaround at the south end
of the property line and the secondary access at the north end, using the
cul-de-sacs as they so indicate on their plan dated March 16, 1983. This
is with the provision that Stokes & Co. , the developers, donate one addi-
tional lot at their discretion to be combined with existing green area for
a playground area with the approval to increase the adjacent residential
lot(s) to the playground by up to 10 feet to provide an additional buffer
zone. Also, the minimum building size shall be 1000 square feet.
Mrs. Gregg seconded the motion. Chairman McCaulie asked for any other questions
or comments; there were none, so he called for a vote. The motion to accept the
the plan of proposed deviations for Fairway Villas with the above-mentioned
modifications was approved unanimously.
Mr. Moss noted for the record that Mr. Doug Miller, representing England & Thims
• is going to be doing some engineering work for the City of Atlantic Beach, which
is separate from this project of Fairway Villas.
Chairman McCaulie asked if there were any further matters to be discussed. There
were not, so he made a motion to adjourn. Mrs. Ruth Gregg seconded the motion.
Chairman McCaulie then declared the meeting adjourned at 8:20 p.m.
W. G ,g T= :ulie, Chairman
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