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08-05-86 v UNOFFICIAL MINUTES OF THE BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETING OF THE ATLANTIC BEACH COMMISSION HELD AT CITY HALL ON AUGUST 5, 1986 AT 7 :00 P.M. Mayor Howell called the budget workshop meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Those present were Mayor William Howell, Commissioners Robert B. Cook,Sr. , Glenn A. Edwards, William I. Gulliford, Jr. , and John W. Morris, Jr. ; City Manager, Richard C. Fellows, City Clerk, Adelaide Tucker, and all Department Heads. The proposed Capital Improvements program was the first to discuss: 1. Acct.510 - A/C for City Hall, $5,000, Strike. The A/C unit to be paid out of FY 85-86. 2. Acct. 512 - File cabinet, $200. Leave In. 3. Acct. 513 - Surge Protectors,Fin.Dir.$2,000 Leave in - Shop around 4. Acct. 515-Locking cabinets-$290, Leave in get State bid price. It was the consensus that most of the proposed items were priced too high. 5. Acct. 517 -typewriter and file cabinet, $980, Strike $690. Commissioner Gulliford noted he had reviewed a software program written for clerks and recommended the software be purchased as he felt the control of records and inventory would be much more efficient than than we have now. Add $3,000 proposed for Acct.510 to Acct. 517. 6. Acct 521- replace desks, etc. for new Public Safety Building $2,500 Leave in 7. Acct.521 -patrol cars.- $55,000-Leave in temporarily. Chief Thompson explained $25,000 budgeted in 84-85 was not used, but was carried over. Also, these cars could be purchased with Federal Revenue Sharing Funds that had to be spent this year. He also suggested one of the old cars be saved for detective use and save one for city use. He was asked why we don't rotate cars & buy 2-3 each year. Mr. Fellows said they could do the same thing by reserving the funds each year and earning interest on the funds. 8. Acct.521- 911 Equipment - $5,000 - Flag, the Mayor will check on item 9. Acct.521 Photo equipment - $800.Flag. Chief Thompson requested permission to replace photo equipment & accessories for 35mm, tripod, & flash to be more effective for shots of bad accidents, etc. particularly night shots. He was not sure of prices. Mayor Howell commented the department heads probably thought they were just sitting there nit-picking, but all they wanted was total prices of items the departments felt they actually needed, not over-estimated or under-estimated. 10. Acct. 521 Portable radios, $2,748. leave in. State price. Chief Thompson said he had recently been in touch with another company that has a radio with the same power as the ones proposed, not state price, but might be less. Lengthy discussion on this. Commissioner Gulliford commented you should have some kind of limit. In looking at the last two years revenues, he found the first year between what was budgeted and the actual revenue was PAGE TWO BUDGET MINUTES AUGUST 5, 1986 a swing of $173,000. That would just about cover the capital expendi- tures for that year, and based on last year's estimate, he had a swing of $116,000 more revenues than what was projected. Double that up with the fact he put it in here, you would end up with a two and one- half million dollar carry-over. He said he would feel more productive watching television. They should set some kind of guidelines, and standards and discipline themselves to limit the expansion of expendi- tures to something meaningful. Once you limit the expansion of expenditures, then you establish your priorities, and then people would be fighting over the funds available. Here, it was "carte blanche". You say this is what we are going to get in revenues so everyone go out and spend it. Mr. Fellows said the budget was simply an estimate of what you think you are going to receive. There is no sure way of knowing what your revenues are going to be, and no sure way of telling what you are going to spend. The budget is only a guide line, and as they all knew, the city has spent thousands of dollars in 85-86, with Commission approval, on items unanticipated that were not budgeted. It would not be wise to let cash carry forward get too low. Commissioner Gulliford referred to workshop meeting of FY83-84 where a motion was made and carried that would stipulate the carry-over for any one year would not exceed or drop below 25% of the proposed expenditures. Any excess of 25% would be transferred to a Capital Improvements Account. If the carry-over dropped below 25%, it would be the responsibility of the City Commission to make up the balance. Mr. Fellows pointed out they could use cash carry forward for one time expenses, but they had better not use cash carry forward for permanent employees and recurring expenses, because eventually the cash carry forward would be depleted. He said he was not aware of the motion made in 83-84, but he thought it was an excellent provision. In the way the budget was broken down, it showed a cash forward in every one of the funds at the time, in Capital Improvements they had almost $400,000 that was not spent last year. Some of it would be spent before 9/30/86, some of it would not. That was not a planned situation. It came about as the results of vendor participation, wishes of the Commission, etc. They had $100,000 since 10/1/86 for paving streets, and here they were, just 30 days away from the end of the fiscal year and the money had not been spent. Someone could say, he had just plugged that money in and now they had to have another $100,000 cash carry over. Mayor Howell reminded Mr. Fellows the Public Safety Building was coming from a bond loan, and so was the street paving, so essentially he could not really say those items were carry-overs. Mr. Fellows responded it was a revenue. We may get it and we may not. What he was offering was a wide open document for the Commission to get involved in.The Department heads put in items they thought were needed and the purpose of everyone getting together was to make some rational decisions. PAGE THREE BUDGET MINUTES AUGUST 5, 1986 Commissioner Gulliford expressed the opinion there should be some kind of restriction on "internal" items to force people within the city government to prioritize. Following discussion among the employees, the one with the most needs would get the piece of equipment. As to long term projects, such as the new public safety building, sewers, street paving, new line construction, etc. ,they should be treated differently. Mr. Fellows responded they had prioritized some, but obviously not enough. When the budget was put together, they had a $400,000 deficit in the general fund, now it was $60,000. Commissioner Morris expressed the opinion he would much rather see a million or two in surplus than a $400,000 deficit, but he would not argue that one million dollars was too high. Everyone should be doing their homework closer rather than asking for an item with no firm price. He emphasized the point, however, he did not want to budget so tight that drug work would be eliminated. Mr. Fellows explained they spent a tremendous amount of money on over-time in the Police Dept for that purpose prior to February, 1986, but it was staggering. He felt the community should decide the level of police activity they are going to be willing to pay for. 11. Acct. 522. Office furn. & equip. $2,350. leave in. Discussion on increasing 12. Acct. 522. Firefighting equipment. $12,225 Leave in 13. Acct. 524 File cabinet. $290. Leave in 14. Acct.524 Build.Inspt.Auto. $10,000 Leave in- City Manager to get the new car and pass down his car to Mr.Braid. One police car may be used also. 15. Acct.541 Dump truck. $30,000 - Strike. Lengthy discussion on purchasing a slope mower in lieu of the dump truck. 16. Acct.541 Equipment trailer. $6,500. Leave in 17. Acct. 541 Water tank trailer. $4,000. Leave in 18. Acct. 541 Mower attachment $1,400. Leave in 19. acct. 541 Weed Eaters- $600. Leave in 20. Acct. 572 Ball park lights. $1 ,500. Leave in 21. Acct. 572 Fencing ball park,etc. $1,000. Leave in. 22. Acct. 590 Tire balancer. $2,500 - Strike 23-26. Acct.596. Sewer plant rehab. ,eng.& sludge hauler EPA $1,128,000 Leave in 27-28 Acct. 572. Recreation bldg. ,tennis court & lights. $59,000 - hold 29-30 Acct. 30541 Public Safety Bldg. & engineer. $390,000. Leave in PAGE FOUR BUDGET WORKSHOP AUGUST 5,1986 31. Acct.541 Warehouse -undercover storage. $50,000. Hold. Bring back new estimate 32. Acct. 541 Street Construction-Sec.H. $300,000 anticipated to do with city share of gasoline tax. Leave in. 33. Acct. 541 Sidewalks. $50,000. Leave in. Bids are coming in next meeting. May be finished before next year's budget, but not paid for. 34. Acct. 541. Drainage imp.-Gen. $60,000. Leave in. FML 35. Acct. 541 Drainage imp.-Sec.H.-$130,000 from gas tax. Leave in 36. Acct. 40533 Painting,fencing & resodding,$15,000, Leave in - City accepted $7,000 from Selva Lakes Developers to paint water plant #1, fix up the roof, etc. City will pay $8,000. 37.-38.Acct. 40533 Hydropneumatic tank & emergency gen.-Water plant #2. $100,000 Leave in - Hire professional engineering help first. Mr. Braid hopes to obtain an engineer as consultant for less than $2,500. 39. Acct.40533 Major Equip.Overhaul-$176,800 - FML-carry-over from 85-86.Leave in 40. Acct. 40533 Royal Palm Mains replace. ,$50,000-carry-over from 85-86-Leave in 41. Acct.40533, Beach Aven.Main replace. ,$60,000. Leave in. 42. Acct.40533, Portable radio, $900. Leave in. 43.Acct.40533, Pipe threading machine 4", $4,300, Leave in-reduce to 2", Go to Jax Bch if 4" is needed. Get price 44.Acct.40533, Pickup truck (diesel) for distribution Chief,$12,411 Leave in 45-56.Acct.41595,total sewer fund items requested, $459,375.Leave in. Clarifier conversion,sodding,sewer line replacement,FML,seminole force main, sewer plt. railing, etc. No carry-over. 57.Acct.42534 Trash containers, $6.500 Leave in 58.Acct.42534, 2 Cushman/P.U. 's, replacements- $20,0000 Leave in- Mr. Braid asked to buy two 3 yd. dumpsters that would fit in any pickup and one cushman. Commissioner Gulliford suggested Mr. Braid contact the distributor who sells miniature compactor garbage trucks. May come in and demonstrate for a few months. 59.Acct.42534 40 yard. roll-off container, $4,000, Leave in 60-63 Acct.43533, Buccaneer items needed.$105,000, Leave in. 64. Acct.61529, Microcomputer paid ouf of police court funds,$1,500,Leave in. ART