Agenda Item 1MINUTES
REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING
October 10, 2011
CITY HALL, 800 SEMINOLE ROAD
Attendance IN ATTENDANCE:
Mayor Mike Borno City Attorney Alan C. Jensen
Mayor Pro Tern John L. Fletcher City Manager Jim Hanson
Commissioner Jonathan Daugherty City Clerk Donna L. Bartle
Commissioner Paul Parsons Recording Secretary Nancy E. Bailey
Commissioner Carolyn Woods
Call to Order /Pledge Mayor Borno called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. Commissioner Fletcher gave the
Invocation, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Approval of Minutes 1. Approve the minutes of the Regular Commission Meeting of September 26,
2011 and the Special Called (Shade) Meeting of October 3, 2011.
Motion: Approve the minutes of the Regular Commission Meeting of September
26, 2011 and the Special Called (Shade) Meeting of October 3, 2011, as written.
Moved by Fletcher, Seconded by Parsons.
Votes:
Aye: 5 — Borno, Fletcher, Daugherty, Parsons, Woods
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
Courtesy of the Floor 2. Courtesy of the Floor to Visitors.
Mayor Borno opened the Courtesy of the Floor to Visitors. He welcomed the audience
and explained the process for public comments.
Mike Whalen, 1420 Mayport Road, presented the Commission with a Call to Action
for Mayport Road, stating he is a board member for the Jacksonville Area Ship Repair
Association. He stated Mayport Road and Mayport Base are dying and explained this
is due to the decline of ships coming to Mayport. He asked for the Commission's help
to get more surface ships ported at Mayport. Mayor Borno asked him for a list of the
Armed Forces Service Committee members. Mr. Whalen stated he would give that to
the Mayor. Mr. Whalen stated their help contacting any of their government
counterparts would help; they need to make some noise, if they believe Mayport Naval
Station is important to us. Commissioner Fletcher stated it is important and suggested
Mr. Whalen formulate a list of a few key people we can contact and state what we
should ask for. Mr. Whalen stated they are asking for surface ships as outlined in the
Call to Action. Commissioner Parsons agreed it is very important we do something
about this.
John November, 647 Beach Avenue, addressed the Commission regarding adding
modular, removable seating at the end of the new pier at Tideviews. He stated this
seating would not have to come from City revenue; it could come from fundraising, or
from people wanting to donate seating to have their name on the boardwalk. He
showed a slide of the pier, pointing out where seating could be placed. He added he
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would personally pledge to raise money for a swinging bench. He stated installing a
cigarette butt holder on the pier as soon as possible is very important, and also
suggested an overlook, which he gave pictures of to the Mayor. He further stated
having a cover on the swinging bench and under the gazebo area at the base of the pier
would also be important. Mayor Borno stated staff would bring all of his
recommendations back to the Commission with their cost factors. Commissioner
Daugherty agreed that, ecologically, a cigarette butt holder is a good thing to install as
well as a container to hold cut fishing line.
City Manager Jim Hanson stated he received an email, which was distributed to the
Commission, from Commissioner -elect Maria Mark, who was unable to attend
tonight's meeting, regarding her support for the approval of Item 8B.
No one else from the audience spoke so Mayor Borno closed the Courtesy of the Floor
to Visitors.
Unfinished Business 3. Unfinished Business from Previous Meeting
from Previous A. City Manager's Follow -up Report.
Meeting
None.
Consent Agenda 4. Consent Agenda
ALL MATTERS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED
TO BE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY
ONE MOTION IN THE FORM LISTED BELOW. THERE WILL BE NO
SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. IF DISCUSSION IS DESIRED,
THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL
BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AND
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO
THE CITY COMMISSION ON THESE ITEMS.
A. Acknowledge receipt of the Recreation Report for August 2011, the Public
Works and Utility Departments Project Status Report as of September 30, 2011
and the List of New Business Tax Receipts issued in September 2011.
B. Declare the list of property as surplus.
C. Authorize the City Manager to sign the contracts with ABAA, ABET, yoga
instructor Linda White and tennis professional Brecht Catalan.
Mayor Borno read the Consent Agenda.
Motion: Approve Consent Agenda Items A, B and C as read.
Moved by Fletcher, Seconded by Daugherty.
Votes:
Aye: 5 — Borno, Fletcher, Daugherty, Parsons, Woods
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
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Committee Reports 5. Committee Reports
None.
Action on Resolutions 6. Action on Resolutions
A. RESOLUTION NO. 11-26
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AUTHORIZING THE
CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A NEW MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH AND THE FLORIDA
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
Mayor Borno read Resolution No. 11 -26 by title.
Motion: Approve Resolution No. 11 -26.
Moved by Fletcher, Seconded by Parsons
Rick Carper stated this is a routine resolution that comes up every year as we
have to renew our contract with the DOT for maintenance of selected portions
of the DOT right -of -way in our City and is consistent with what we have in the
budget. Mr. Carper answered questions from the Commission.
Votes:
Aye: 5 — Borno, Fletcher, Daugherty, Parsons, Woods
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
7. Action on Ordinances
A. ORDINANCE NO. 80-11-81, Public Hearing and Final Reading
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA
INCREASING THE MONTHLY STORM WATER UTILITY FEE BY AMENDING
CHAPTER 22 UTILITIES, ARTICLE IV, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT,
DIVISION 2 RATES AND CHARGES, SECTION 22 -335 FEES; PROVIDING FOR
INTENT; PROVIDING FOR THE ADOPTION OF A NEW RATE; PROVIDING
FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Mayor Borno read Ordinance No. 80 -11 -81 by title.
Motion: Approve Ordinance No. 80- 11 -81.
Moved by Parsons, Seconded by Fletcher
Mayor Borno opened the Public Hearing. He explained this Ordinance is for the
increase in stormwater fees from $5 /residential unit to $6.89 per month.
Mike Whalen, 1420 Mayport Road, asked if this was a result of declining revenues in
from water. Mayor Borno stated the stormwater fee does not fund what it takes to
maintain the stormwater drainage system and it has been supplemented by the gas tax.
He stated it was decided they needed to get it to stand more on its own and are working
toward that so the gas tax money can come back for more maintenance on the streets.
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No one else from the audience spoke so Mayor Borno closed the Public Hearing.
Votes:
Aye: 4 — Borno, Fletcher, Daugherty, Parsons
Nay: 1— Woods
MOTION CARRIED
B. ORDINANCE NO. 60-11-16, Public Hearing and Final Reading
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA,
AMENDING CHAPTER 17 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, SIGNS AND
ADVERTISING STRUCTURES, ARTICLE IV, NONCONFORMING SIGNS AND
WAIVER TO CERTAIN PROVISIONS, SEC. 17 -51 NONCONFORMING SIGNS,
TO ALLOW UNTIL JANUARY 1, 2015, FOR NONCONFORMING SIGNS TO
COME INTO COMPLIANCE, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Mayor Borno read Ordinance No. 60 -11 -16 by title.
Motion: Approve Ordinance No. 60- 11 -16.
Moved by Parsons, Seconded by Fletcher
Mayor Borno opened the Public Hearing.
Mike Whalen, 1420 Mayport Road, thanked the Commission for this Ordinance. He
stated to come into compliance with his sign it would be $12,500.
No one else from the audience spoke so Mayor Borno closed the Public Hearing.
Commissioner Daugherty stated he hopes when the new Commission is seated they can
discuss revisiting the sign ordinance and changing it permanently. He stated he
believes they need to look at a more permanent solution to this. Mayor Borno stated
they may need to have a workshop to look at this.
Votes:
Aye: 5 — Borno, Fletcher, Daugherty, Parsons, Woods
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
C. ORDINANCE NO. 25-11-42, Public Hearing and Final Reading
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH, FLORIDA, AMENDING
CHAPTER 8 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, FLOOD HAZARD AREAS,
RELATING TO FLOOD DAMAGE PREVENTION, IN ORDER TO ADOPT, TO THE
EXTENT APPLICABLE, THE REGULATIONS AND POLICIES SET FORTH IN
THE STATE OF FLORIDA MODEL FLOOD DAMAGE PREVENTION
ORDINANCE; PROVIDING FOR STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION, FINDINGS OF
FACT, PURPOSE, AND OBJECTIVES; PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS;
PROVIDING FOR GENERAL PROVISIONS; PROVIDING FOR
ADMINISTRATION; PROVIDING FOR PROVISIONS FOR FLOOD HAZARD
REDUCTION; PROVIDING FOR VARIANCE PROCEDURES; PROVIDING FOR
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CONFLICT AND SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION INTO THE
CODE OF LAWS AND ORDINANCES; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
Mayor Borno read Ordinance No. 25 -11 -42 by title.
Motion: Approve Ordinance No. 25- 11 -42.
Moved by Fletcher, Seconded by Parsons
Mayor Borno opened the Public Hearing.
Mike Whalen, 1420 Mayport Road, stated there is a retention pond in the back of his
building that floods his building when it rains and asked if this ordinance will help with
that. Mr. Hanson stated no, but he should contact Rick Carper about whose pond it is
and talk about solutions. Mr. Carper stated the pond belongs to the gas station.
Commissioner Parsons stated it is important for people to find out where they are in the
flood plain and they can go to Jacksonville's website (coj.net) to do this. Mr. Hanson
stated we also have a link on our website. Mayor Borno stated people also can contact
Mike Griffin at City Hall and he can tell them if they have a change.
Commissioner Fletcher clarified this is bringing our ordinance into compliance with
the State of Florida model flood damage prevention ordinance.
No one else from the audience spoke so Mayor Borno closed the Public Hearing.
Votes:
Aye: 5 — Borno, Fletcher, Daugherty, Parsons, Woods
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
Miscellaneous 8. Miscellaneous Business
Business
A. Cost to install crosswalks.
Mr. Hanson stated staff was asked to prepare a report on the cost of the various options
to install pedestrian crosswalks at a number of places where our ped paths cross City
streets and don't have them presently. He stated the Public Works Director has
prepared an estimate for each of those.
Public Works Director Rick Carper showed several slides of various examples of
crosswalks, stating he prepared cost estimates for the various types of crosswalks. He
explained the life expectancy and cost of each. He stated there are no funds in this
year's budget for decorative crosswalks but staff could begin painting crosswalks.
Discussion ensued.
Commissioner Fletcher pointed out that sometimes decorative crosswalks give
pedestrians/bicyclists an illusion that cars will stop and they don't and neither do the
pedestrians. He stated he believes there is a public safety issue that is probably more
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important right now than whether we want to spend the money for these. Mr. Hanson
stated the illusion is created in State law, pointing out that motorists are required under
State law to stop for pedestrians at a marked pedestrian crosswalk but most motorists
don't know the law exists.
Commissioner Daugherty showed slides of photos he had taken previously, stating the
reason he brought this up was that he was almost hit by a car.
Chief Mike Classey stated it would make sense to have markings at intersections like
this.
Commissioner Woods stated she believes decorative crosswalks fall more into strategic
planning but she agreed thermoplastic is more reasonable. She also discussed the
Mayo Clinic crosswalks that have lights that flash when a pedestrian is in the
crosswalk.
Assistant City Manager David Thompson stated they have these also at UNF coupled
with signs telling motorists to yield to pedestrians. He stated they looked at the pricing
to do that type of crosswalk and they are fairly expensive at around $16,000 /crosswalk
for just the basics.
Motion: Stripe the fourteen (14) crosswalks with the thermoplastic materials at
an estimated cost of $2,468.
Moved by Woods, Seconded by Daugherty
Commissioner Parsons stated they had previously looked into this and the slightly
raised crosswalks that get the motorists' attention are best. Discussion ensued.
Commissioner Daugherty stated, due to the curve in the road, high traffic and speed of
the vehicles, he would like to see the stamped concrete installed at the crossing on
Orchid Street. Mr. Carper stated they should also put advance warning signs that a
crosswalk is ahead.
Motion: Amend to use stamped concrete crosswalk at Orchid Street at a cost of
$8,448 and direct Rick Carper to include this in his proposal for use of gas tax
funds.
Moved by Daugherty
Discussion ensued about whether to use stamped asphalt or stamped concrete.
Mayor Borno stated rather than trying to decide which to use they should strike Orchid
off the list and do the other 13 in thermoplastic, to give time for Mr. Carper to research
the cost.
Commissioner Daugherty withdrew his motion.
Mr. Carper recommended doing all 14 in thermoplastic and then study what to do for
Orchid as a long -term solution. Commissioner Woods stated she recommended
starting with Orchid, since Commissioner Daugherty was concerned about that
crosswalk, to see if it helps and they notice a difference.
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Votes:
Aye: 5 — Borno, Fletcher, Daugherty, Parsons, Woods
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
B. Restructuring to continue responsibilities of Redevelopment Coordinator.
Mr. Hanson summarized the staff report and recommended reconfiguring the Planning
and Zoning administrator position to add the responsibilities for economic
redevelopment and put the position under the Building Official and secondly,
transferring the half position that is in the Administrative division to the Police
Department so it can be added to the other half position in the Police Department to
create a second COPs officer /officer on the street position. He reiterated he is
proposing no change in the number of authorized position in the City budget and no
changes in the budget, but is proposing a restructure of one position to be realigned to
better use our resources and to transfer a half position to the Police Department so we
can utilize that also.
Commissioner Fletcher stated they have accomplished a lot of what they wanted to do
in 2008 and asked if they are losing any of that in this transition. He stated ongoing
crime suppression is necessary. Chief Classey stated they are not reducing that.
Commissioner Fletcher asked how would the economic redevelopment position differ
from what was in Dale Hatfield's job description. Assistant City Manager Thompson
stated Mr. Hatfield's primary focus was on public safety and what they are now
looking at is more of a transition to economic development where they are focused
more on zoning and a business and economic development perspective.
Commissioner Parsons stated he believes this is a good management decision. He also
complimented Dale Hatfield for doing a superb job in this position. Mr. Thompson
agreed, stating it has been a joint effort.
Mayor Borno also agreed it has been a joint effort and it is now time to readjust our
focus to still maintain what we are doing.
Motion: Authorize staff to restructure positions to replace the Community Developme
Director position, to reflect the changes noted above, and to authorize staff to recruit a nd
hire a qualified person for the new position and authorize the modification of the
2011 -12 budget shifting funding from the City Manager's budget for the
Community Redevelopment Coordinator position to the Police Department where
it will be used with the remaining JAG funding to pay for a second COPs position
on a part -time basis.
Moved by Parsons, Seconded by Fletcher.
Votes:
Aye: 5 — Borno, Fletcher, Daugherty, Parsons, Woods
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
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City Manager 9. City Manager
A. City Manager's Report.
City Manager Jim Hanson stated, at the last meeting, staff was asked to report on the
Town Center Maintenance and the Maintenance Agreement history for the Atlantic
Blvd. Medians. He stated they were not completed in time for this agenda but will be
on the next agenda.
Mr. Hanson reported they received the final tax digest from the property appraiser
stating the total dropped from $1.25 billion to $1.24 billion which nets out as a
decrease of $33- 34,000 in tax revenues which we can expect to be under budget by this
year. He stated he would not amend the budget yet, but wanted to report it.
Mr. Hanson also stated they have reported in the past on emergency sewer line repairs
where the problem with the old iron lines is that they rust out on the top and asked
Director of Utilities Donna Kaluzniak to show a short video taken by her contractor of
some rotted sewer lines.
Reports/Requests 10. Reports and /or requests from City Commissioners and City Attorney
City Commissioners
City Attorney Commissioner Parsons
• Reported on article in the October newsletter regarding the limit of 5 cubic
yards of yard trash, stating he has met with the hauler and they have agreed,
with advanced notice, they will pick it up. Mayor Borno asked if the hauler
will not stick with the 5 cubic yards during this northeaster. Mr. Carper stated
they will not pick up more than 5 cubic yards but will return tomorrow to pick
up more trash.
Commissioner Woods
• Stated as she goes back and forth over the bridge she has seen a lot of people
out using the pier and it seems to be a welcome addition to the City. Mayor
Borno stated with the amount of people using the pier and the suggestion
tonight of putting in a cigarette butt container, he believes maybe it should be a
no smoking area. He stated all they need is one mistake and, in certain
conditions, we could have a major fire out there.
Mayor Borno
• Noticed we are missing a lot of the blue tiles on the fire hydrants.
• Took Dale Hatfield to breakfast to personally thank him for all of his efforts for
the City, stating Mr. Hatfield is glad to return as a detective.
• Answering Commissioner Daugherty's request for an update on the tippage
fees, he reported that Neptune Beach has joined in with Atlantic Beach to write
a joint letter and to share costs and that is being worked on. He stated updates
will follow.
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Adjournment There being no further discussion, the Mayor declared the meeting adjourned at 7:19
p.m.
Mike Borno, Mayor/Presiding Officer
ATTEST:
Donna L. Bartle, CMC
City Clerk
MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF ATLANTIC BEACH CITY COMMISSION
HELD IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBER ON OCTOBER 3, 2011 AT 6:00 PM
City Commission Members present:
Mike Borno, Mayor
John L. Fletcher, Mayor Pro Tern
Jonathan Daugherty, Commissioner
Paul B. Parsons, Commissioner
Carolyn Woods, Commissioner
Staff present:
Jim Hanson, City Manager
Donna L. Bartle, City Clerk
Nancy Bailey, Recording Secretary
The meeting, which was held for the purpose of discussing the recommendations regarding
landfill tipping fees, was called to order at 6:02 p.m. by Mayor Borno.
Landfill Tipping Fees— Discussion and Action
Mayor Borno stated Atlantic Beach and Neptune Beach have been notified that the tipping fees
will be charged and discussed the various options. He recognized Neptune Beach Mayor
Harriett Pruette and Vice Mayor Kara Tucker, who were in the audience. His recommendation
was to have a joint letter with Neptune Beach, signed by both Mayors, to the City of Jacksonville
and made the following motion.
Motion: Authorize the Mayor to sign a ioint letter with the Mayor of Neptune Beach to the
City of Jacksonville Mayor and Council President advising them of our surprise and
concern with their recent decision to begin charging a landfill tipping fee and requesting
their cooperation in working with the City staff and consultants to obtain addit
information to determine if the provision in the Interlocal Agreement authorizing tip ping
fees has been met.
Moved by Borno, Seconded by Fletcher
Commissioner Fletcher stated he wanted to add two things to that approach: (1) remind the City
of Jacksonville that this decision is not binding just because they put this in their budget. It does
not mean the Cities of Atlantic Beach and Neptune Beach recognize it as binding on us; and (2)
remind the City Council President that the City Council has a bifurcated role. They are the City
Council in the City of Jacksonville and they are the County Commission of Duval County and,
as such, have a fiduciary responsibility to other component cities of Duval County and by
assessing a tax from one city, that we wholeheartedly reject, to solve a budget problem in another
city is a breach of their fiduciary responsibility and we are not going to tolerate it.
Discussion ensued.
Mr. Jensen stated the intent of the letter, as he understands it, is that we have a contract and the
fact that they have put an item in their budget does not change our agreement with them. He
stated we intend to honor the contract we have and expect them to do the same. He stated we do
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not believe they have gotten to the level of charging their own residents, which they must meet,
before they can impose landfill tipping fees on us.
City Manager Hanson summarized the background on the tipping fees. He stated he believes we
need to get a complete understanding of the City of Jacksonville's books and determine whether
they have met the terms of the Interlocal Agreement. He believes a consultant that understands
the solid waste business and the accounting that goes with it would be appropriate to do this.
Commissioner Daugherty asked if we are able to dump our waste /sludge without paying the fee.
Mr. Hanson explained several options. Discussion ensued.
Motion: Amend to include: (1) remind the City of Jacksonville that this decision is not
binding lust because they put this in their budget and it does not mean the Cities of
Atlantic Beach and Neptune Beach recognize it as binding on us; and (2) remind the City
Council President that the City Council has a bifurcated role, they are the City Council in
the City of Jacksonville and they are the County Commission of Duval County and, as such
have a fiduciary responsibility to other component cities of Duval County and by assessing
a tax from one city, that we wholeheartedly reiect, to solve a budget problem in another
city is a breach of their fiduciary responsibility and we are not going to tolerate it.
Moved by Fletcher, Seconded by Daugherty
Commissioner Fletcher stated the City Attorney understands the intent of what he said and
knows he can refashion that in legal words.
Mr. Hanson clarified the two components they want in the letter are that any decision by
Jacksonville on their budget is not binding on Atlantic Beach because of the Interlocal
Agreement and we take issue with Jacksonville choosing to try to impose a fee on us to pay for a
program in another City. Commissioner Woods stated it should also include that the Interlocal
Agreement is by mutual consent and we do not consent. Commissioner Fletcher stated he agrees
that charging the tipping fees is not a unilateral decision but needs to be made by mutual consent.
City Attorney Alan Jensen explained the agreement states they can charge the fee at a certain
point in time but we can make them prove that they have gotten to that level.
Commissioner Woods clarified the amendment to the letter is to include the three points
discussed. Mayor Borno called for a vote on the amendment to include the three points.
Votes:
Aye: 5 — Borno, Daugherty, Fletcher, Parsons, Woods
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
Mayor Borno then called for a vote on the amended original motion.
Votes:
Aye: 5 — Borno, Daugherty, Fletcher, Parsons, Woods
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
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Motion: Direct staff to obtain proposals from private consultants for services in connection
with determining whether Jacksonville has met the provision in the Interlocal Agreement
for the payment of landfill tipping fees.
Moved by Fletcher, Seconded by Parsons
Mayor Borno stated the two City Managers will get together rapidly and find some private
consultants with the background to do a range of one to two weeks work for $15k -25K.
Commissioner Woods questioned whether Jacksonville would cooperate with opening their
books. Mr. Jensen stated if Jacksonville chooses not to cooperate with that request, we can do a
public records request and they will have to give us the documents.
Commissioner Daugherty stated he believes this is premature. He stated he believes they should
send the letter, let them know our position and that the burden of proof is on them. He stated he
is against hiring a consultant for $15 -20K. He stated if step one doesn't work, then they can go
to step two, hiring a consultant.
Mr. Hanson stated they have already asked for their numbers over the past year and have
received very simple, sometimes incomprehensible numbers and sometimes conflicting numbers
and it has gotten to a point if they are going to get real answers they are going to have to send
someone in to spend some time to understand their operation better. He stated he has neither the
time nor expertise to do this and would like someone with more expertise to do that. He further
pointed out that he has asked for information under the open records and it took weeks and
weeks to get it. He believes the only way we are going to get these questions answered is to send
someone down there for a week.
Commissioner Fletcher stated he doesn't see in this motion that we are going to work with
Neptune Beach to jointly do this and would like to add this. Mayor Borno stated they cannot
bind Neptune Beach to this but Neptune Beach has a special meeting Thursday night and they
will be discussing this also. He asked Mayor Pruette if she wanted to address this.
Mayor Harriett Pruette, Neptune Beach, stated she believes it is critical that they work with
Atlantic Beach and are unified on this. She stated there comes a time when you have to take a
stand and now is the time and she hopes her council will be unified and they can come together
and share some of the cost. She stated they will have a meeting on this on Thursday and she
likes what they have discussed tonight. She stated let's just work together and get through this.
Commissioner Woods stated, on the issue that Jacksonville is unilaterally changing the Interlocal
Agreement by stating they have met whatever their requirements are, is that something they
would want to invite Jacksonville Beach to join us on. She stated they also have an Interlocal
Agreement that they would not want Jacksonville to unilaterally change. She stated if
Jacksonville gets away with this, they can do the same thing to Jacksonville Beach. Mayor
Borno stated, depending on how this goes, there may be a point in time where the issue of
combining all three cities could happen.
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Motion: Amend to request this be in coniunction and partnership with Neptune Beach for
sharing in the information gathering and cost of the private consultant.
Moved by Daugherty, Seconded by Fletcher
Votes:
Aye: 5 — Borno, Daugherty, Fletcher, Parsons, Woods
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
Discussion ensued and Mayor Borno called for a vote on the original motion, as amended.
Votes:
Aye: 5 — Borno, Daugherty, Fletcher, Parsons, Woods
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
Discussion ensued regarding refuse transfer stations.
There being no further discussion by the City Commission, Mayor Borno declared the meeting
adjourned at 6:50 p.m.
Mike Borno, Mayor/Presiding Officer
ATTEST:
Donna L. Bartle, CMC
City Clerk