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Amended Itenm 1B-Minutes of Commission Workshop 6-27-16AMENDED ITEM JULY 25, 2016 MINUTES OF WORKSHOP OF ATLANTIC BEACH CITY COMMISSION HELD ON JUNE 27, 2016 PRESENT: Mayor Mitchell E. Reeves Commissioner Mitchell Harding Commissioner Jimmy Hill Commissioner John Stinson Commissioner Blythe Waters STAFF: Nelson Van Liere, City Manager Michael Deal, Police Chief Don Jacobovitz, Public Works Director Donna L. Bartle, City Cleric Call to order Mayor Reeves called the meeting to order at 5:05 p.m. He explained the procedure for the workshop. Public Works Director Don Jacobovitz explained the purpose of his presentation is to show the primary and alternate routes selected for the Safe Routes to School Project; not to discuss needs for sidewalks in other places throughout the city. He indicated he would be staying around after his presentation if anyone would like to talk about a sidewalk or use the available maps to draw on to show any place you think- we need a sidewalk. Mr. Jacobovitz showed a revised slide presentation (which is attached and made part of this Official Record as Attachment A). He explained the purpose of the program, the desired outcomes, the five components which are engineering, education, encouragement, enforcement, and evaluation and urged the public to be involved in the program. (Commissioner Waters arrived at 5:12 p.m.) Mr. Jacobovitz described the two route options: Original Route- east side of Seminole Road and Sherry Drive from Ahern Street to 17th Street, and Alternate Route- west side of Seminole Road from Plaza to 15th Street and explained the pros and cons of each. He explained the path shown on the map and the timeline of the project. Mayor Reeves asked if the Commission wanted to take a look at the maps which were displayed on the tables in the Chamber, but it was determined they had the same maps in their packet. He explained the procedure for the workshop to Commissioner Waters and opened the discussion. Commissioner Hill stated he felt that this project got off in the wrong direction immediately; believes it was a well -intended idea to use found money to add an amenity that already exists. He explained the bulk of our bicycling and pedestrian students are coining from the west of the school and not east as they Minutes of the Commission Workshop on June 27, 2016 AMENDED ITEM 113 JULY 25, 2016 Page 2 of 3 once did. He stated there are no routes other than Plaza that come west of Seminole Road. If you go to the Elementary School on any given day, 90% of the child pick-up traffic is on the back corner next to the park where the largest bulls of people travel across the crosswalks and to the bikes. He suggested tying into the existing route on the west side of Seminole Road connecting it to the controlled crosswalk where there is already a paved crossing attendant to get the kids safely across there, taking it straight down that side road and taking it west as far as we can. He stated he is an advocate of tying it to the park but people don't want to take it off the street completely. He further stated, the route suggested takes you past side roads which he believes are dangerous roads. He reiterated his desire to shift this project west. Commissioner Waters asked Commissioner Hill to explain the route he was suggesting which he did. Commissioner Waters asked Mr. Jacobovitz about whether there was enough right-of-way to widen the sidewalk that exist where the school crossing is to 8 feet. Mr. Jacobovitz stated he did not know stating he did have the consultant look at the roads in the city that would avail themselves to being a safe route to the school and the consultant suggested going down Sherry Drive and Seminole Road. Commissioner Hill explained that at a minimum, he advocates taking Seaspray with a bike path to Seminole Road and beyond if it will go because that is where most of our traffic is coming from, and connecting it back this direction to the existing bike paths that merge right here at this intersection at Plaza and Seminole Road. Commissioner Waters commented on Commissioner Hill's suggested route and Commissioner Hill answered questions. Commissioner Waters asked Mr. Jacobovitz about segmenting the path and Mr. Jacobovitz explained that segmenting is not recommended since they would like a continuous path for the students to walk and the path would have to stay within a 2 -mile radius. Mayor Reeves suggested we hear some other opinions as to the choice of path, and not focus solely on Commissioner Hill's suggestion. Commissioner Waters believed it may be possible to get more sidewalk out of the grant money by tying Seminole Road into the existing ped path and making a path that goes west as Commissioner Hill suggested. Mayor Reeves agreed that children travel from the west and explained his suggestion for the route to have a path in front of the school from Atlantic Blvd. to the five -way stop on Sherry Drive, down Plaza all the way to Mayport Road and also, out the back gate to Seminole Road which is where we already have a project. He stated his main concerns are with Sherry Drive and the concrete poles. Commissioner Stinson asked how the trees that would have to be mitigated. Mr. Jacobovitz said there are four trees that are in front 415 Sherry Drive that would be mitigated by planting trees in other areas in the city. Commissioner Stinson also asked about the pervious/impervious restrictions and the calculations. Mr. Jacobovitz stated we have not done a calculation because when you put an 8 -foot wide sidewalk in the right -a -way, it is way less than the 50% and also the City is not bound by the same requirements. Commissioner Stinson believed that there should be sidewalks to the west and on Sherry Drive and suggested instead of using Seminole Road, that Selva Marina Drive or Park Terrace be options to consider. Commissioner Harding stated he has been against putting in another sidewalk on Seminole Road directly across from the existing sidewalk, but realizes there should be widening and repairs made to them. He believes the alternate plan would better serve the citizens, but also agrees the east — west routes need to be addressed. Commissioner Waters stated she supports the original proposed route and explained why adding that a lot of the citizens spoke out in support of the original path. Minutes of the Commission Workshop on June 27, 2016 AMENDED ITEM 1 JULY 25, 2016 Yage s of .s Discussion ensued. Commissioner Hill stated he does not believe $96,000 will cover this project and is not in favor of committing extra money to spend on sidewalks in the current environment. Commissioner Stinson believes the city should be held to the pervious / impervious requirements just as the citizens are and explained the reality of children crossing the road whether there is a path or not. He also believes that putting a sidewalk on a busy street is not the smartest thing to do. Mayor Reeves stated we need to decide whether we should move it to the agenda to make a decision on some type of route and take advantage of the grant, explaining if we don't, we need to walk away as soon as possible without any additional investment. Commissioner Hill asked Mr. Jacobovitz to contact the School Board about the gate that is being locked occasionally. Commissioner Blythe commented on the pervious / impervious issue and explained the citizens were in favor of taking advantage of this grant money, so we should go forward. Mayor Reeves asked Mr. Jacobovitz if he could come up with a plan that would please everyone. Mr. Jacobovitz stated it may be feasible and agreed to check to see if another route or routes could be done and tied together. He explained he would need to check the other right-of-ways on the other streets to see if they are wide enough for a multipurpose path. There was discussion about the need for historical and current data to show where the students are coming from and how they are traveling to school. Mayor Reeves agreed to coordinate a meeting with the School District Representative Scott Shine to help obtain information. Commissioner Hill suggested they ask the school for a possible solution to the traffic problems on Sherry Drive that occurs when the school lets out. . Adjournment There being no further discussion by the City Commission, Mayor Reeves encouraged the citizens that want to speak about the Safe Routes to Schools to do so at the regular meeting later tonight and take this time to come up and look at the maps and speak with Mr. Jacobovitz. The meeting adjourned at 6:04 p.m. ATTEST Donna L. Bartle, CMC City Clerk Mitchell E. Reeves Mayor/Presiding Officer U GJ O a LM0 0 s V H a� 0 cc Q) �a W m AMENDED ITEM 1B ATTACHMENTA JULY 25, 2016 Commission Workshop Minutes 6-25-2016 H 0 0 s U Ni e i O O CL (A F- 0 0 LL 2 LL O CSA E [0- O N O0 4-J 1 r - U > ro O C6 bn C • U C- -0 U 4-J ro bn >- c6 E 0 o c� c� O L Q . 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