11-21-17 CDB Meeting Transcript CondensedCity of Atlantic Beach Excerpt of Proceedings -Item No. ZVAR17-0010
Community Development Board November 21 2017
CITY OF ATLANTIC BEACH
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD
HEETING
Excerpt of videotaped proceedings held
on Tuesday, November 21, 2017, commencing at
approximately 6:55p.m., at City Hall, Commission
Chambers, 800 Seminole Road, Atlantic Beach,
Florida.
BOARD HEt·IBERS PRESENT:
A. BREA PAUL, Chairwoman.
LINDA LANIER, Board Member.
KELLY ELNORE, Board Hember.
PATRICK STRATTON, Board Hember.
SYLVIA SH1!·10NS, Board Hember.
ALSO PRESENT:
BRENNA DURDEN, City Attorney.
DEREK REEVES, Interim Development Director.
BRIAN BROEDELL, City Planner.
VALERIE JONES, Administrative Assistant.
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1 PROCEEDINGS
November 21, 2017 6:55p.m.
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3 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Our next agenda item is
4 Item 4B, ZVAR17-0010, and I will turn it over
5 to staff.
6 MR. BROEDELL: Good evening, board.
7 So good news, this is not in a PUD.
8 So this is a variance to allow a 6-foot
9 fence in the front yard at 1505 $elva Marina
10 Drive. This property is in the RS-L, large lot
11 zoning district. Future land use, Residential
12 Low Density. And it is a corner lot that
13 fronts both Selva Marina Drive and Seminole
14 Road.
15 And the City code defines corner lots as
16 abutting two or more streets, and then it goes
17 on to explain that the exterior lot line of the
18 narrowest side of the lot adjoining the street
19 shall be considered the front of the lot. So,
20 with that, that makes the southern property
21 line that fronts --or abuts Seminole Road the
front of this property by code.
So the proposed plan is to install a
24 6-foot-tall wood fence to run along this
25 southern front property line (indicating),
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1 before it kind of makes a turn and then runs
2 back to the house.
3 So the need for a variance is Section
4 24-157, within required front yards the maximum
5 height of any fence shall be 4 feet; and then
6 within required side or rear yards, the maximum
7 height of any fence shall be 6 feet.
8 So as I stated with -how the City code
9 defines the front yard for corner lots, this
10 6-foot fence would be -is in their required
11 front yard.
12 So the proposed fence along this southern
13 property line would be over 30 feet from the
14 pavement of Seminole Road. And as you can see
15 from this aerial, the property is a good
16 distance away from the intersection of Selva
17 Marina and Seminole Road. So sight line issues
18 are pretty minimal.
19 Continuing with that, the -if you can
20 see that hedge in these three pictures, the
21 hedge is on right-of-way, City property, so the
22 majority of this proposed fence would be placed
23 behind that hedge, before it comes out a little
24 bit more and then runs back to the house. So,
25 again, minimizing sight line issues even more.
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1 Any questions?
2 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: (Off microphone.)
3 I think I read that what they're proposing
4 is right on the property line; is that correct?
5 MR. BROEDELL: Yes.
6 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: (Off microphone.)
7 Another question, how many (inaudible) are
8 there between the sidewalk and the property
9 line of the proposed fence?
10 MR. BROEDELL: That, I don't know.
11 Based on just kind of eyeing it, while I
12 was out there, it's probably about 5 feet, but
13 that's -that's really just based on walking
14 out there. It doesn't say on the survey or-
15 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: I can comment on
16 that. Again, it's my 'hood.
17 That's a really mature ligustrum hedge. I
18 believe it's ligustrum, maybe viburnum. And I
19 remember when that was planted. And it's
20 gotten really mature and it's -it really is
21 right -it's very close to the sidewalk. And
22 so if it's on the City right-of-way, then I
23 would guess this proposed fence would be back
24 about 5 feet from the sidewalk, possibly?
25 MR. BROEDELL: Yeah.
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1 It would definitely --I'm not exactly
2 sure where the property line is behind that
-hedge. I know it's, obviously, behind the
hedge. And, again, based on just going out
5 there, it looks like it would be at least
6 5 feet from the sidewalk.
7 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: And the City did not
8 plant that hedge, correct, or do you know? My
9 guess is not.
10 MR. BROEDELL: Yeah, I'm not sure.
11 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Do you guys have any
12 additional questions for staff?
13 BOARD MEMBERS: (No response.)
14 THE CHAIRWOMAN: No. All right.
15 Thank you.
16 MR. BROEDELL: Uh-huh.
17 THE CHAIRWOMAN: All right. If the
18 applicant is here and would like to make a
19 statement.
20 (Audience member approaches the podium.)
21 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi.
22 I'm Lori Gaglione. I live at 1505 Selva
23 Marina Drive.
24 So, as he stated, my property is unusually
25 configured because the --the home is built
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1 facing Selva Marina Drive. Our address is
2 Selva Marina Drive. Our door opens to
3 Selva Marina Drive. Our driveways are on
4 Selva Marina Drive.
5 And it was unbeknownst to me--Seminole
6 Road's considered our front yard. So when we
7 had all these plans drawn up to do the fence, I
8 had no idea. And so, of course, when the
9 permit was denied, I was told we needed to get
10 the variance.
11 Okay. So the plan is to come in right
12 behind the hedge so that --and I brought a
13 picture of another property at the beach that's
14 got a similar sort of configuration with a
15 fence inside of a hedge line, which is --and
16 this is kind of the style fence that we're
17 proposing (indicating).
18 And I submitted a bunch of pictures with
19 my --I don't know if you guys all got that.
20 I -
21 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Yes, we did.
MS. GAGLIONE: Okay.
THE CHAIRWOMAN: There were a variety of
24 pictures sent in our packet.
25 MS. GAGLIONE: Yeah. I was trying to sort
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1 of maybe -the whole gist of what we're trying
2 to do, and -and the reason for fencing off
3 the backyard is we have young children. We're
4 trying to make a backyard because right now,
5 you know, it's just kind of an open property.
6 Everybody on Seminole Road can see into our
7 backyard. You can see in from the front. You
8 can see along the sides. So we're trying to
9 just, you know, create privacy and create a
10 beautiful backyard that we're going to do all
11 sorts of things in -in terms of improvements,
12 but that's sort of the gist of why we're trying
13 to get a 6-foot fence, so that -so we can
14 have privacy, and so my--so I can feel safe
15 with my children running around back there
16 with -you know, not -no one can see over or
17 see through the hedge.
18 I don't know who owns that hedge, but I
19 know the City maintains it, which is part of
20 the reason why we -initially, we weren't sure
21 we even needed a fence because that hedge was
22 nice and thick, but the City came through and
23 just sort of gutted it. And so then it really
24 opened up our backyard. And you hear traffic,
25 you see everybody walking along, which is fine,
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1 but I have young children, and so, you know,
2 there's safety issues, but -so that sort of
3 pushed us over the edge of wanting to put up a
4 fence there, so -
5 But, you know, we're trying to beautify -
6 we have a whole plan to redo that -the whole
7 house, and this is just part of it. We're not
8 just putting up a fence. I'm doing a whole
9 redo on the exterior of the home.
10 And so I tried to provide pictures so you
11 can see it. It's sort of a rundown condition.
12 It's a really neat mid-century house, but
13 it's--you know, it--it needs an update, so
14 that's--this is just part of that plan.
15 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Thank you.
16 You guys have any additional questions for
17 the applicant?
18 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: (Off microphone.)
19 I drove by, you know, both streets, both
20 (inaudible). And it appears to me that that's
21 a very, very small backyard. Given the shape
22 of the lot and the position of the house, that
23 a lot of your yard space down here, on this
24 point -where you wouldn't be allowed
25 (inaudible), you wouldn't put -place that,
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1 you wouldn't want the kids there.
2 MS. GAGLIONE: Agreed.
BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: (Off microphone.)
And that you'd have a hard time setting
5 that fence back to have any (inaudible) -
6 MS. GAGLIONE: Absolutely.
7 And we planted a lot of fruit trees right
8 along in there that was part of sort of the
9 master plan to create this park environment in
10 our backyard, and it would --if I have to come
11 ten feet within the fence, my fruit trees are
12 going to be outside my fence, so that's not
13 going to work. So -
14 And it --I don't --I just don't think it
15 would --I don't think it would look nice
16 ten feet in. If you see the property-
17 especially not with that hedge there, because
18 you'll have a tall hedge, ten feet, and a
19 fence. It's not --it's going to look weird.
20 So, to me, it just made perfect sense to
21 come right in behind the hedge. You've already
22 got a --a visual line there. I'm just
23 mimicking it and sort of cleaning it up, I feel
24 like, trying to make it look more, I don't
25 know, attractive, from --from the street
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1 because the hedge really is not that --it's
2 not that attractive. It's kind of--it's a
3 little squirrely-looking. It needs some love.
4 THE CHAIRWOMAN: All right. You guys have
5 any additional questions for the applicant?
6 BOARD MEMBERS: (No response.)
7 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Thank you.
8 MS. GAGLIONE: Thank you.
9 THE CHAIRWOMAN: I'd like to take this
10 time to open this up to public comment.
11 Is there any public comment on this
12 variance?
13 AUDIENCE MEMBERS: (No response.)
14 THE CHAIRWOMAN: It appears there is no
15 public comment.
16 MS. GAGLIONE: I meant to --I'm sorry, I
17 forgot.
18 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Please.
19 MS. GAGLIONE: I did speak with four of my
20 neighbors, and I have their addresses and names
21 that I can tell you --so I spoke with the
"" four --the two directly across the street from
me at 1510 and 1520, and the two to my side,
24 1515, 1525. I explained exactly what I was
25 doing and I showed them my pictures. None of
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1 them had any objection to the -and I can get
2 statements if that's necessary, but I --I
3 didn't know that I needed to bring them down
4 here.
5 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Thank you.
6 MS. GAGLIONE: Thank you.
7 THE CHAIRWOMAN: I'd like to take this
8 time to close the public comment portion and
9 bring it back to the board for discussion and
10 motion.
11 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: So I feel like I'm
12 doing all the talking tonight, and I'm not sure
13 why, but maybe because they're all in my
14 neighborhood.
15 So that's really unfortunate about the
16 hedge because that was a pretty good-looking
17 hedge for a long time, and I didn't know who
18 slaughtered it, but-
19 MS. GAGLIONE: It wasn't us.
20 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Okay. Thank you.
21 I remember Dr. McKay (phonetic) used to
22 live in this house. He built this house, yeah,
23 and it is -it is a wonderful -to me, a
24 wonderful example of the kind of homes that
25 were built in that sort of golden 1950s, 1960s
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1 time in Selva Marina. It's a beautiful house
2 and I hope you're going to keep the character
3 of the house when you remodel it.
4 You know, there are rules and then there
5 are rules that make sense. And the fact that
6 the Seminole Road side of the house is the
7 front of the house -I mean, I get it, that
8 that's a rule, but you could -if a hundred
9 people stood in front of the house and you
10 said, where is the front of the house, they
11 would say it's Selva Marina Drive.
12 And it's -this house is parallel to all
13 the other houses that go right up that side of
14 the street. I mean, there's nothing about this
15 house that says the front yard is Seminole
16 Road. So I would be inclined to say, you know,
17 go ahead and build a fence behind the hedge. I
18 think that makes a lot of sense.
19 I'm not sure about this chunk that sticks
20 out closer towards the street, but what I'm
21 seeing here is the property line. I'm not
22 seeing, like, the street and the sidewalk. I
23 don't know, like, how close this -Derek,
24 could you put the -the property picture back
25 up again?
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1 MR. REEVES: Or do you want the survey?
2 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Okay. No, that-
., okay. So that yellow line is actually the
property line?
5 MR. REEVES: I would not rely on that.
6 I'll go back to the -
7 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Okay.
8 MR. REEVES: The lower corner there is the
9 survey. That one's more accurate.
10 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: (Off microphone.)
11 This is the --because you've got where
12 the fence -
13 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Okay. So one of my
14 concerns, when I saw this in our packet, was,
15 wait a minute, is there going to be a 6-foot
16 fence, like, coming out sort of into that nice,
17 little triangle that --the triangle does need
18 some --it needs some love. It's ratty and
19 it's full of ants and all that, but it looks to
20 me like the fence is not going to come out into
21 the triangle because that's not even your
22 property.
23 MS. GAGLIONE: Exactly.
24 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Okay. That was my
25 biggest concern about this.
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1 So the fence is going to be up much closer
2 to the house, and I don't think it will be -
3 well, staff has already said it's not going to
4 be an obstruction for traffic, for the --for
5 the visual part of pulling in or out, and it's
6 not going to invade that little triangle there.
7 So I'm --I'm peaceful with this one.
8 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: (Off microphone.)
9 Do you see where the fence is drawn
10 (inaudible)?
11 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Uh-huh.
12 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: (Off microphone.)
13 I'm not sure what triangle you're talking
14 about.
15 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Below that--the
16 bottom curve there, so -
17 THE CHAIRWOMAN: There's quite a bit of
18 grass between -
19 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: There's--yeah,
20 there's --there was a -
21 (Simultaneous speaking.)
"? THE CHAIRWOMAN: It's heavily grassed
before it's paved.
24 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Yes. There's a big,
25 grassy triangle there that--again, it needs
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2 that triangle because that's not even her
3 property.
4 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: Thank you.
5 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Yeah. See, that's
6 a --Derek is pointing to that big triangle
7 there.
8 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: Yes.
9 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Yeah. So there's a
10 lot of property, actually, before you get back
11 to where the fence would be.
12 MS. GAGLIONE: (Inaudible.)
13 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Yes, ma'am, please.
14 MS. GAGLIONE: If I may, the house-
15 THE CHAIRWOMAN: You have to come up to
16 the microphone so we can hear you.
17 (Ms. Gaglione approaches the podium.)
18 MS. GAGLIONE: The home has a 40-foot
19 setback to Seminole Road. So where the fence
20 is going to come over to the, quote-unquote -
21 what I call the front of the --the front yard,
22 which is the front of the house, but it's
23 actually the side yard, that's 40 foot set back
24 off the road because that's what the setback is
25 on Seminole --on Selva Marina.
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1 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Yeah.
2 MS. GAGLIONE: So it's 40 foot back from
3 the property line, and then it's --there's
4 another 20 to 30 feet from that triangle. I
5 mean, it's --it's --I mean, it's just a
6 massive amount of property right there, so -
7 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Yeah.
8 MS. GAGLIONE: It's not going to look even
9 remotely close to being on Seminole Road at the
10 front.· As it goes along the side, it's just
11 going to go along the hedge line and the
12 sidewalk, if that makes sense.
13 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Thank you.
14 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Before this train
15 leaves the station here, I will caution that
16 this is still a right-of-way where 6-foot
17 fences are not allowed. And the neighbor to
18 the northeast could come in here and ask for
19 the same thing, if we approve this variance,
20 and say, "I want to put a 6-foot fence along
21 the property line just like my neighbor to the
22 south did."
23 And, you know, this is one of these--I
24 get what the applicant wants to do, I
25 sympathize, and I would want the same thing.
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1 would want to capture my yard and --but I'm
2 looking at this from the duty of setting
precedence.
And it's not that this wouldn't --this
5 isn't needed, but we really are setting
6 ourselves up for everyone else on Seminole
7 Road, not to mention all the other streets -
8 as you remember we had this very controversial
9 one down here by the school a while back where
10 they wanted a 6-foot fence in the front yard
11 along the property line, and we-
12 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Made them tear it down.
13 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: --denied it. We
14 made them tear it down after they put it up.
15 And, you know, this is what this board is
16 for, is to not get the City in trouble or set
17 precedence where someone can haul the City into
18 court saying, "Well, you gave it to them, you
19 have to give it to me." We're here as
20 guardians of the LDRs, and I think that, you
21 know, the setbacks are huge there, I agree.
22 And, actually, I--I'm working on a
23 property nearby and the sidewalk is actually
24 about 5 feet off the property line there,
25 but --neither here nor there, she can still
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1 put up a fence along the property line. It
2 just can't be 6 feet. It can be 4 feet. And
3 you can plant a 6-foot hedge behind it, or in
4 front of it if you wanted to, even.
5 So it's not like you're not getting
6 anything, but it's just the --as the codes
7 say, you can't have a 4-foot [sic] fence along
8 the property line, along the roadway. No
9 matter if there's 30 or 40 feet of grass
10 between it, it's just, you know, the language
11 in the code is no 6-foot fence along the
12 right-of-way.
13 THE CHAIRWOMAN: And there have been a
14 variety of other ones that were close to some
15 beach accesses that we told them you can have a
16 4-foot fence and plant a hedge.
17 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: But I'm --I'm all
18 ears to change it. I just really caution that,
19 you know, we could get into some sticky
20 situations. If someone wants to come in and
21 put a 6-foot fence on the property line on
.,~ Seminole, and the --one thing --the whole
reason that ordinance is there is so that we
24 don't look at canyons of fences along our
25 roadways.
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1 BOARD MEMBER STRATTON: Yeah. I mean,
2 we --I remember many people coming in --that
3 new house at the end of 6th Street that came in
4 and they requested the 6-foot fence and we
5 said, no, put up a 4-foot and put the
6 landscaping in, and they did that, and it looks
7 great. So they have their privacy from the
8 combination of the fence and the landscaping.
9 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: You know, this
10 probably is not the time to do this, but when
11 codes are revisited, we--we've had the front
12 yard/side yard issues in front of us a few
13 times, where everything about a house says this
14 is the front yard, except the code, which says
15 it's not, it's a side yard. I think it was
16 2nd Street?
17 THE CHAIRWOMAN: We've had a variety.
18 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: We've had a bunch of
19 them.
20 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Many double-frontage lots
21 have aggrieved us at some point.
22 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Yeah. So I'm hoping
23 that we can make that make a little bit more
24 sense maybe in the future because I think this
25 does confuse citizens, when they presume that
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1 when they look at their house and everything
2 about it, including the address, says this is
3 the front yard, and then they move ahead with
4 plans and find out, no, it isn't. As a matter
5 of fact, everything is different because your
6 front yard is over there.
7 I just think that's something that should
8 be addressed, but that's not an issue for us
9 this evening, but I'd like it to be sort of
10 bookmarked somewhere -
11 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: And I agree.
12 And I sympathize with the homeowner here
13 because, in this instance, there's a tremendous
14 amount of land. It makes perfect sense to put
15 a fence there, but the problem is we have this
16 one-size-fits-all rule-
17 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Yeah.
18 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: --about fencing
19 where --you know, whether it's on 3rd Street
20 and East Coast or whether it's on Seminole and
21 Selva Marina Drive, it's--you know, we're
22 stuck with this code. And if we approve a
23 variance going against that, we really create a
24 lot of hardship for ourselves down the road,
25 and the City.
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1 MR. REEVES: I could provide a little more
2 insight to the other code provisions.
~ So on corner lots, the --we, obviously,
have the front yard requirement, 20 feet back,
5 but the side yard adjoining the street also has
6 its own requirements.
7 In this case, because the right---both
8 right-of-ways are over 50 feet wide. They're
9 both 100-foot-wide right-of-ways. A 6-foot
10 fence has to be either 5 feet off of the
11 sidewalk or 15 feet off of edge of pavement.
12 So just giving you an idea, when we look
13 at these corner lot situations for fencing,
14 even the side yard does have some setback
15 requirements, the side yard that's adjoining
16 the street. It's at 5 feet from the sidewalk,
17 15 feet from the edge of pavement for the
18 street itself. So the code does kind of
19 consider it -
20 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Is that for a 4-foot
21 fence or a 6-foot?
22 MR. REEVES: That's for the 6-foot fence.
23 BOARD MEMBER STRATTON: But the 4-foot
24 fence could go in as proposed, where they're
25 proposing the current fence now, with no
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1 variance needed, correct?
2 MR. REEVES: Four-foot fences can go up to
3 property lines everywhere, unless there's a
4 sight line issue at the intersection, but
5 otherwise they can go to property lines.
6 THE CHAIRWOMAN: But the location--a
7 6-foot fence could go in there if the other
8 side of her house was considered the front
9 yard. It could be --because it's 5 feet from
10 the sidewalk. So if she really --if the City
11 considered Selva Marina the front of her house
12 instead of Seminole.
13 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: But it's still a
14 right-of-way on the side yard. I mean, that's
15 the problem with corner lots, is that you
16 essentially have two -
17 THE CHAIRWOMAN: But Derek said it could
18 be 5 feet from the sidewalk.
19 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: For-
20 MR. REEVES: Right.
21 So if the dimensions were slightly
.,? different and Selva Marina was the front yard
by code, we would allow the fence along
24 Seminole Road to be 5 feet off of the sidewalk
25 and it can be 6 feet tall. Obviously, that's
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1 not the situation. But if Selva Marina were
2 the front yard, that's what the regulation
3 would be.
4 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: But if the sidewalk
5 is already 3 to 5 feet off the property line,
6 all you're saying is you need to be 5 feet back
7 from that sidewalk and you can put a 6-foot
8 fence up along Seminole?
9 MR. REEVES: Right. Whether it's on the
10 property line or, you know, just a foot or two
11 in, yeah, it could -
12 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: So if the owner to
13 the north, whose front yard technically is
14 along Seminole too, wants to put a 6-foot fence
15 or they -can they come and put a 6-foot fence
16 5 feet behind the sidewalk too, then, even
17 though their house is facing -
18 THE CHAIRWOMAN: No, because they're-
19 (Simultaneous speaking.)
20 MR. REEVES: That's one of those ugly
21 situations that, the way the code is today, can
22 create. They would have to be 20 feet back.
23 So, theoretically, in this situation, you
24 could have a 6-foot fence 5 feet off the
25 sidewalk at the corner lot and then 20 feet
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1 back for the adjoining property if that's just
2 the way the dimensions work out.
3 It's not ideal, but that's the way the
4 code works today.
5 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Well, if staff is-
6 can defend putting the 6-foot fence up along
7 the right-of-way there -
8 MR. REEVES: Well -
9 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: --then -
10 MR. REEVES: --I can't. That's why we're
11 here for a variance.
12 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Well -but you're
13 saying that you can put a 6-foot fence up
14 5 feet back from the sidewalk. And if the
15 sidewalk -
16 MR. REEVES: In certain situations, yes.
17 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: And if the sidewalk
18 is, say, 3 feet off the right-of-way, you're
19 essentially putting a 6-foot fence 2 feet back
20 into their property.
21 MR. REEVES: Yes, if that -in the right
22 situation. This is-
23 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: And -
24 MR. REEVES: -not that situation.
25 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: And -
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1 BOARD MEMBER STRATTON: And not in this
2 situation.
., THE CHAIRWOMAN: Yeah. I was going to
say, unfortunately, we're faced with what
5 we're --what the rules are at this -
6 (Simultaneous speaking.)
7 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: (Inaudible) the
8 side yard/front yard issue.
9 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Yes, which I hope we can
10 address through our Land Development Code. And
11 I'm not sure how we would address it, but it
12 seems to have been an aggravating factor for a
13 variety of variances for houses that were
14 constructed quite some time ago.
15 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: You know, I think
16 it's interesting, just as a comment, all three
17 requests that we've heard so far tonight were
18 all things that people don't know when they buy
19 a house. You know, they're--they're in the
20 fine print somewhere in the title or maybe not
21 even in the title. I mean, in the --in the
22 title search to this house, did it say the
23 front yard is on Seminole Road? Probably not.
24 So these are all those kind of buyer-beware
25 kind of things. It's really unfortunate.
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1 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Well, I don't know
2 how the lot got assigned a Seminole Road
3 address if it has a Selva Marina address. I
4 mean, that house has been there 50 years at
5 least, and -
6 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: Because it's the
7 shorter of the two -
8 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Because that's--at some
9 point our code said we have to define what the
10 front of the lot is. And they said, all right,
11 we'll make it the skinny side.
12 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Well --but, no, I
13 mean -
14 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Oh, well, that's a
15 question.
16 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Most address
17 assignments are done at the point of a building
18 permit for new--undeveloped property. It's
19 not assigned when it's platted. It's --the
20 address is assigned when the --at least
21 currently, today. I don't know what it was
like when this house was built, but addresses
are not assigned until --on undeveloped
24 property, until a building permit is submitted.
25 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Well, here's what I
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1 would want to know, then: We know that this
2 street was developed in the 1950s, right?
3 Maybe '60s, but-
4 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Yeah, '60s.
5 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: --probably in the
6 '50s, late '50s. At that time, did the --was
7 it in the City's code that the shorter lot line
8 is the front yard or did that happen after the
9 house was already built? Because it was built
10 and it was assigned an address of Selva Marina
11 Drive. So when did that happen?
12 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Usually at the point
13 of construction is usually when the address is
14 assigned to a house.
15 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Well, right. I know
16 that, but at what point did the rule come along
17 that said if you have a corner lot, your
18 shorter--your shorter distance is your front
19 yard? Did that happen after this house was
20 built or before?
21 THE CHAIRWOMAN: I would say it would have
22 had to have happened after it because if you
23 knew that --building the house, that the
24 narrowest --your front of your lot was
25 considered the narrowest side, you would have
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1 oriented your house entirely different, at
2 least I would have -
3 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Uh-huh.
4 THE CHAIRWOMAN: --because then you would
5 be-
6 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Do you know, Derek?
7 MR. REEVES: No, I don't know. And I-
8 because the code was rewritten in '82, it's
9 very hard to research anything prior to that as
10 far as what the regulation was at the time of
11 construction.
12 I wanted to point out a couple of things
13 since we're going down this road. The first
14 is, addresses have nothing to do with the front
15 of the property as far as code definition.
16 That's why you see through-lots on Beach Avenue
17 that have Beach Avenue addresses and some have
18 Ocean Boulevard addresses. It's a choice
19 thing. The City, honestly--once you decide.
20 If you request a change, as long as you have
21 frontage on that street, we'll let you name it
22 or address it that way.
23 The whole reason we have this definition
24 of "corner lot" is really not for fences. It's
25 more for your building setbacks. And I'll
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1 point out that this structure is a
2 nonconforming structure. That northern end
is--it looks like 10.1 feet from the property
line. That's technically the rear yard. It
5 should be 20 feet off.
6 Where this really comes into play is those
7 lots in North Atlantic Beach where it's 50 by
8 130 feet deep. If you say --and say that lot
9 is on the corner of 3rd and East Coast and the
10 shorter side is on 3rd, the longer side is on
11 East Coast, if you want an East Coast address
12 and the front of your home faces East Coast and
13 you apply those front yard setbacks and it's
14 only a 50-foot-wide lot, well, it's a 20-foot
15 setback in the front and 20-foot setback in the
16 rear, you end up with a 10-foot-wide buildable
17 area.
18 That is why we have the narrowest side is
19 the front. It's to determine those setbacks
20 and how that works. Fences have kind of fallen
21 into that as a way to regulate it and, you
22 know, how we determine the location as
23 appropriate.
24 But addressing, design of the house, all
25 of that, as far as where your front door is and
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1 the functionality of your house is completely
2 independent of the setbacks. I just wanted to
3 make you all aware of that, you know, as you
4 have your discussion.
5 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: So you're saying if
6 she tore down her garage on the north end, she
7 couldn't put it --rebuild it, essentially?
8 She --you'd have to take --chop 10 feet off
9 of it because that's considered the rear yard?
10 MR. REEVES: Correct.
11 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Don't tear down your
12 garage.
13 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: You know, we have a
14 highly irregular property and code here, and I
15 know it's strange that it's right next door to
16 a property that could not have a 6-foot fence
17 there, but on the other hand, we have a great
18 family house there with crazy limitations due
19 to both shape of the lot and some craziness in
20 the code, and I --I think it's very
21 justifiable to give this variance.
BOARD MEMBER LANIER: I am --unless
somebody can provide evidence otherwise, I am
24 not convinced that the front yard rule about
25 which side is the front yard, I'm not convinced
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1 that that existed when this house was built,
2 unless somebody can prove it to me that it was.
3 And you said our code was written in -was
4 rewritten in 1989?
5 MR. REEVES: '82.
6 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: '82?
7 MR. REEVES: I know we have a full version
8 from '50, but that doesn't guarantee that I can
9 find your answer.
10 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: So you can't find an
11 answer to say that I'm right, but you also
12 can't find an answer to say that I'm wrong,
13 correct?
14 MR. REEVES: Yeah. I can't find it at
15 this moment, definitely.
16 If you want me to go back and do the
17 research, we can do that and bring it to you
18 next time, if that's what you're looking for.
19 Maybe we find an answer, maybe we don't.
20 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Well, an answer
21 could give me the confidence to vote on this
22 without a doubt, if the applicant is willing to
23 wait.
24 BOARD MEMBER STRATTON: I mean, how do you
25 feel about, you know, the--the tunneling
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1 effect -
2 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: I don't-
3 BOARD MEMBER STRATTON: --that we talk
4 about all the time?
5 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: We do.
6 BOARD MEMBER STRATTON: And that, to me,
7 it's an issue here because it's one of the main
8 thoroughfares in and out of Atlantic Beach.
9 And a 6-foot fence is pretty significantly
10 different than the 4-foot that --they could
11 put the 4-foot without the variance and then
12 they could plant the landscaping, just like
13 the many other houses that we've talked about.
14 And they get all the privacy they want. They
15 get the security still, if they have pets that
16 are running around in the back, they don't want
17 to get out, and they still have all the privacy
18 with the mature landscaping.
19 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: I don't think the
20 tunneling effect on this piece of property is
21 an issue as it is in, like, some of the
22 numbered streets. We really are concerned
23 about the tunneling effect, and I know we've
24 talked about it on Section H. In some of those
25 areas we've talked about it.
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1 This is --this piece of property is so
2 spacious. It is so big. And if you look at it
., up there in that picture --I mean, from where
it --look at where the house is.
5 I feel like I'm really lobbying for this,
6 and I don't know why, but -
7 BOARD MEMBER STRATTON: It's not really
8 the size of the house, but it's the proximity
9 of the fence to the road.
10 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: It's not close.
11 It's not close. There's a huge hedge, which is
12 probably 10 foot tall. The fence would be on
13 the other side of the hedge and wouldn't be as
14 tall as the hedge. So most of this, like this
15 much here (indicating) would be behind a hedge.
16 If we were going to ask the applicant to
17 do something different, we could maybe say,
18 would you not build the fence out quite so far?
19 Maybe keep it more towards the backyard than
20 the front corner of the house? I mean, I think
21 that might be a compromise, but that still
22 doesn't fix the front yard issue.
23 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Well, just so-
24 you've got to --I mean, the thing that strikes
25 me --I mean, I try to sympathize with every
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1 person that comes forward to try to improve
2 their property, but I--I'm just really
3 concerned about, you know, the precedent it's
4 going to set with other homeowners along
5 Seminole, and -
6 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: But the other
7 homeowners, they're not corner lots along
8 Seminole -
9 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Well, the point-
10 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: The neighbor next
11 door-
12 THE CHAIRWOMAN: The people right here on
13 the road that leads to the back end to the
14 elementary school, they had to take their
15 6-foot fence down because they put it up
16 without a permit. And I have to tell you, if
17 anybody needed security and privacy to keep
18 kids from throwing trash and things in their
19 yard, that would have been someone --and we
20 told them, no, you can have a 4-foot fence with
21 a hedge.
.,.., BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: I have-
BOARD MEMBER LANIER: I don't remember
24 that.
25 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: I have a real
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1 difference between that and this.
2 The setbacks on Seminole are really wide .
3 How far off the edge of the road is the
4 property line?
5 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Oh, it's a good -
6 MR. REEVES: That's what we don't know for
7 sure.
8 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: It's about 32 feet.
9 I mean, the road itself is about 28 feet wide
10 and it's a 100-foot right-of-way, so do the
11 math.
12 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: Yeah.
13 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: I mean, it's-
14 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: So the two --the
15 two are not comparable at all. This is a long
16 way back. It really does not have that
17 tunneling effect because it's so far from
18 Seminole Road.
19 MS. GAGLIONE: May I-
20 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Well, Sylvia, I
21 agree with you, and I --I get that, but the
22 point is, the fence setback criteria is
23 one-size-fits-all, unfortunately, and that's
24 what we have to work with.
25 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: But we do have-
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1 we can grant a variance based on -
2 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: No question. It's
3 just that you open up a whole other kettle of
4 fish.
5 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: Well, there are
6 other corner lots, but very few --there's
7 maybe a similar lot at -
8 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Country Club.
9 (Simultaneous speaking.)
10 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: --(inaudible)-
11 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Country Club and
12 Seminole is a big corner lot.
13 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: But certainly most
14 of the houses on corner lots along Seminole
15 have --don't have --they have a square lot.
16 They're nothing like this one. This is --this
17 really is a very unusually shaped and irregular
18 shaped lot, Number 5.
19 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Well, Sylvia, just
20 to comment on your -
21 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: (Inaudible.)
22 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Well, I mean, that's
23 fine, but if you just go up two blocks, up to
24 Country Club and Seminole, that big, vacant -
25 not vacant --the big lot with the house with
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1 the metal roof that's on the southwest corner,
2 it's the same --that lot is almost identical
1 to this and it's the same configuration.
BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: Well, I'm sorry, I
5 can't place that one. I place the one on
6 East Coast -
7 (Simultaneous speaking.)
8 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: (Inaudible)-
9 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: We're on --we're
10 driving north on Seminole.
11 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: Yeah.
12 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: And you're coming -
13 Country Club is the one that cuts over to
14 Selva, where 16th is.
15 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: Yeah.
16 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: And it's a big -
17 it's a real open lot. It's kind of a long -
18 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: I'm sorry, I
19 can't-
20 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: --ranch (inaudible)
21 house with a metal roof -
22 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: I'm sorry, I
23 can't-
24 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: --but the lot is
25 the same thing. I mean, it's a 100-foot
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1 right-of-way and it's a big lot and it's almost
2 the same shape as this. I wish we had Google
3 Earth up, you could see it.
4 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: It's that house that
5 has like three legs.
6 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Yes, but it's the
7 same thing. So imagine putting a 6-foot fence
8 along their, quote, side yard there. And
9 that's really wide open. You'd see that big as
10 life and then, I mean, they could say, "Well,
11 you did it down the street, why can't I do it
12 here?"
13 It's actually Tad Chance's (phonetic)
14 house. I don't know if you know Tad or not,
15 Tad and Karen Chance.
16 You know, I would love to grant this
17 variance, and there's a lot of me that could be
18 convinced otherwise. I'd have to have the
19 support of staff and, you know, playing some
20 gymnastics with the verbiage a little bit, but
21 I --I'm really concerned about -
22 You know, fences are one of the biggest
issues we get variances on. And if you let-
:.:.. everyone comes in with their issues and their
25 pleas and we all sympathize with that, but the
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1 bottom line is we're here to look at -I mean,
2 we're given this one-size-fits-all fence
3 criteria, and that's what we have to work with
4 right now. And I just feel that if you put
5 this fence right along the Seminole
6 right-of-way, even though it's going to be
7 30-something feet off the edge of pavement, I
8 just worry about what the other homeowners are
9 saying. "Well, my front yard faces Seminole.
10 I want to be able to do the same thing here."
11 And we're really creating some real
12 issues. Then it starts--let's say four or
13 five people start doing that and you get the
14 canyon effect with the fences, and now look
15 where we are.
16 MS. GAGLIONE: Chairwoman -
17 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Ma'am, I'm sorry, the
18 public comment portion is closed and it's just
19 the discussion with the board.
20 MS. GAGLIONE: Oh. So I can't say
21 anything else?
22 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Correct.
23 MS. GAGLIONE: Oh, okay.
24 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Thank you.
25 MS. GAGLIONE: Thanks.
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1 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Would it help you guys if
2 we ask the applicant to flag or stake the
3 limits of where the fence is? Because I think
4 that's part of the problem, is we can't quite
5 picture exactly where the fence would be
6 placed. Would that be -would that be more
7 helpful to you?
8 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: Well, maybe that,
9 and also, are there -Kelly, can you see any
10 compromises? Any -
11 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Well, you know, I
12 would say you could certainly put the
13 4-foot-high fence in without even having to
14 request for a variance. And if you want to
15 plant a hedge in front or behind it to get your
16 6 feet, you can do that. You know, 6 feet is
17 maximum.
18 But, you know, trying to find a compromise
19 is just allowing -it's not adhering to the
20 way the law is written, and I don't see a
21 hardship here in the sense that there's
22 something really weird. I mean, it's just -
23 it's a corner lot and it's part and parcel
24 of -when you buy a corner lot, you get
25 increased setbacks.
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1 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: When you buy a
2 corner lot, you do not always have an
1 irregular-shaped property.
BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Well, I wouldn't say
5 that this is particularly irregularly shaped.
6 I mean, as a land planner, I see a lot of lots
7 like this.
8 BOARD MEMBER STRATTON: And it's really
9 not that irregular shape that's causing to
10 bring any of this to issue anyway.
11 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: It's strictly-
12 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: Well, I felt it was
13 when I drove by, Patrick, because the --look
14 at the backyard space. It's--you know, it's
15 very small.
16 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: If this house were
17 built today and the--and it was a scraped -
18 scraped lot, and someone was told, "Well, your
19 front yard is Seminole Road," I would think
20 they would build a house that faced Seminole
21 Road with the backyard --a spacious backyard
22 that went up Selva --you know, I would. This
23 is --I don't know.
24 BOARD MEMBER STRATTON: So why is the yard
25 size at issue even? I mean, whether we talk
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1 about a 4-foot fence or a 6-foot fence, it's
2 not going to change anything about the usable
3 space in the yard.
4 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: No, it's not. I was
5 just saying, if there was no house on this
6 property and you bought the property and
7 somebody said, "Well, this is your front yard,"
8 then you would --you would consider that in
9 where you place the house.
10 BOARD MEMBER STRATTON: I agree, but-
11 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: But I believe,
12 probably, at the time this was built--and it
13 was Roger Bull (phonetic) that developed all of
14 it, right? I think things were just very
15 different. I mean, look at where the garage is
16 built. It's--you know, it's--it's kind of
17 wedged up in the corner.
18 I don't know if that garage was an add-on.
19 Was it an add-on? I don't think it was an
20 add-on. It looks like it was part of the
21 house, but --anyway, it was put on the
22 property funny. I don't --I don't know.
BOARD MEMBER STRATTON: Hey, I'm off the
..:q board in three months. You guys can be stuck
25 with it, if you --you know.
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1 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: We need to-
2 unless you think putting it off would bring
3 something that would clarify, and I don't think
4 that that would do anything for Kelly's vote or
5 Patrick's vote. We need to either -I'll make
6 a motion and we can vote it up or down. Is
7 that okay?
8 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Yes, ma'am. Please.
9 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: I would like to
10 move to grant Variance 17-0010.
11 And I do think it has an irregular shape
12 that makes that backyard very small for a play
13 yard with kids.
14 So that's it.
15 THE CHAIRWOMAN: Do I have a second?
16 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: I'll second.
17 THE CHAIRWOMAN: All in favor?
18 BOARD MEMBER SIMMONS: Aye.
19 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Aye.
20 THE CHAIRWOMAN: All opposed?
21 Nay.
22 BOARD MEMBER ELMORE: Nay.
23 BOARD MEMBER STRATTON: Nay.
24 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: I think that's the
25 first time we've ever had such a close vote.
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1 THE CHAIRWOMAN: We've only got five
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3 BOARD MEMBER LANIER: Oh, right.
4 THE CHAIRWOMAN: So that brings us much
5 closer.
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City of Atlantic Beach Excerpt of Proceedings -Item No. ZVAR17-0010
Community Development Board November 21 , 2017
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strange 111-30:15
STRATTON 113]
1:14,19:1,21:23,
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32:6,33:7,41:8,
41 :24, 42:10, 42:23,
43:23
street 1121-2:18, 9:25,
10:22, 12:14, 12:20,
12:22, 21:5, 21:16,
21:18, 27:2, 28:21'
38:11
Street [3]-19:3,
19:16, 20:19
streets [4]-2:16,
8:19, 17:7, 32:22
strictly [1J-41:11
strikes 111-33:24
structure 121-29:1,
29:2
stuck 121-20:22,
42:24
style 111-6:16
submitted 121-6:18,
26:24
support 111-38:19
survey[3J-4:14, 13:1,
13:9
SYLVIA 111 -1:15
Sylvia 121-35:20,
36:19
sympathize [4J
16:25, 20:12, 33:25,
38:25
T
Tad [3J-38:13, 38:14,
38:15
tall [4J-9:18, 22:25,
33:12,33:14
teari3J -17:12, 17:14,
30:11
technically [2J-23:13,
29:4
ten [3J-9:11, 9:16,
9:18
terms 111-7:11
THE 142]-2:3, 5:11,
5:14, 5:17,6:21'
6:23, 8:15, 10:4,
10:7, 10:9, 10:14,
10:18,11:5,11:7,
14:17, 14:22, 15:13,
15:15, 16:13, 17:12,
18:13, 19:17, 19:20,
22:6, 22:17, 23:18,
25:3, 25:9, 26:8,
27:21' 28:4, 34:12,
39:17, 39:22, 39:24,
40:1' 43:8, 43:15,
43:17,43:20,44:1,
44:4
theoretically [1]
23:23
thick 111-7:22
thoroughfares 111
32:8
three [4J-3:20, 25:16,
38:5, 42:24
through-lots 111
28:16
throwing [1]-34:18
title [3J-25:20, 25:21,
25:22
today [4J-23:21, 24:4,
26:21,41:17
tonight (31-11:12,
25:17, 44:2
tore [1]-30:6
towards [2]-12:20,
33:19
traffic [2J-7:24, 14:4
train 111-16:14
transcribe 111-45:9
trash 111-34:18
trees 121-9:7, 9:11
tremendous 111
20:13
triangle [9]-13:17,
13:21, 14:6, 14:13,
14:25, 15:2, 15:6,
16:4
tried [1]-8:10
Tropia [2]-45:7,
45:17
trouble 111-17:16
try (21-33:25, 34:1
trying [8] -6:25, 7:1,
7:4, 7:8, 7:12, 8:5,
9:24, 40:18
Tuesday [1]-1:7
tunneling [4]-31:25,
32:20, 32:23, 35:17
turn [2]-2:4, 3:1
two [9J-2:16, 10:22,
10:23, 22:16, 23:10,
26:7, 35:14, 35:15,
36:23
u
ugly 111-23:20
unbeknownst [1]-6:5
undeveloped [2]
26:18, 26:23
unfortunate 121
11:15, 25:25
unfortunately [2]
25:4, 35:23
unless 141-22:3,
30:22, 31:2, 43:2
unquote [1]-15:20
unusually [2]-5:24,
36:17
up [281-6:7, 7:24, 8:3,
8:8, 9:23, 10:10,
12:13,12:25,14:1,
15:15, 17:6, 17:14,
18:1, 19:5,22:2,
23:8, 24:6, 24:13,
29:16, 33:3, 34:15,
36:3, 36:23, 38:3,
41:22,42:17,43:6
update 111-8:13
usable 111-42:2
v
vacant 121-36:24,
36:25
VALERIE(1]-1:19
Variance 111-43:10
variance I13J-2:8,
3:3,6:10, 10:12,
16:19,20:23,22:1'
24:11' 30:21' 32:11'
36:1' 38:17, 40:14
variances (2]-25:13,
38:23
variety [4]-6:23,
18:14, 19:17, 25:13
verbiage [1]-38:20
version [1]-31:7
viburnum 111-4:18
videotaped [2]-1:6,
45:9
visuai[2J-9:22, 14:5
vote (5]-31:21, 43:4,
43:5, 43:6, 43:25
w
wait[2J -13:15, 31:23
walking 121-4:13,
7:25
wants 131-16:24,
18:20, 23:14
ways 121-21:8, 21:9
wedged [1]-42:17
weird [2]-9:19, 40:22
whole [7]-7:1, 8:6,
8:8, 18:22, 28:23,
36:3
wide 141 -21 :8, 35:2,
35:9, 38:9
willing (1]-31:22
wish [1]-38:2
wonderful [2]-11:23,
11:24
wood 111-2:24
works 121 -24:4, 29:20
worry [1]-39:8
written [2] -31 :3,
40:20
y
yard [42]-2:9, 3:9,
3:11' 6:6, 8:23,
12:15, 15:21, 15:23,
17:1, 17:10, 19:12,
19:14, 19:15,20:3,
20:6, 21 :4, 21 :5,
21:14,21:15,22:9,
22:14, 22:22, 23:2,
23:13, 25:8, 25:23,
27:8, 27:19, 29:4,
29:13, 30:9, 30:24,
30:25, 33:22, 34:19,
38:8,39:9,41:19,
41:24,42:3,42:7,
43:13
yard/front 111-25:8
yard/side [1]-19:12
yards 121-3:4, 3:6
years [1]-26:4
yellow [1]-13:3
young [2]-7:3, 8:1
z
zoning [1]-2:11
ZVAR17-0009 [1J
44:7
ZVAR17-0010 [1]-2:4
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