(Stinson) Discussion) 18th Street Beach Access Parking1
Bartle, Donna
From:Corbin, Shane
Sent:Tuesday, May 4, 2021 4:47 PM
To:Corbin, Shane
Subject:(Stinson Discussion) 18th Street Beach Access Parking
From: Tillotson, Hanna [mailto:Hanna.Tillotson@FloridaDEP.gov]
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 12:30 PM
To: Edwards, Lainie <Lainie.Edwards@dep.state.fl.us>; Corbin, Shane <scorbin@coab.us>; John Stinson
<jms1776@msn.com>; Briscoe, Andrew <Andrew.Briscoe@dep.state.fl.us>
Subject: RE: FW: 18th Street Beach Access Parking
Mr. Corbin and Mr. Stinson,
As Lainie stated, please contact us with any remaining questions or concerns prior to or following Monday’s meeting.
Thank you,
Hanna Tillotson
Florida Department of Environmental Protection
Office of Resilience and Coastal Protection
Beach Management Funding Program
Hanna.Tillotson@FloridaDEP.gov
Office: 850-245-7540
From: Edwards, Lainie <Lainie.Edwards@dep.state.fl.us>
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 1:53 PM
To: Corbin, Shane <scorbin@coab.us>; John Stinson <jms1776@msn.com>; Tillotson, Hanna
<Hanna.Tillotson@FloridaDEP.gov>; Briscoe, Andrew <Andrew.Briscoe@dep.state.fl.us>
Subject: RE: FW: 18th Street Beach Access Parking
Thanks all – we are available to assist if needed.
Lainie Edwards, Ph.D.
Deputy Director
Office of Resilience and Coastal Protection
Department of Environmental Protection
(850)245‐7617
https://floridadep.gov/rcp
From: Corbin, Shane <scorbin@coab.us>
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 6:29 PM
To: John Stinson <jms1776@msn.com>; Edwards, Lainie <Lainie.Edwards@dep.state.fl.us>; Tillotson, Hanna
<Hanna.Tillotson@FloridaDEP.gov>; Briscoe, Andrew <Andrew.Briscoe@dep.state.fl.us>
Subject: RE: FW: 18th Street Beach Access Parking
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No problem. Glad to be of service.
Have a great weekend,
Shane
From: John Stinson [mailto:jms1776@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 6:20 PM
To: Edwards, Lainie <Lainie.Edwards@dep.state.fl.us>; Tillotson, Hanna <Hanna.Tillotson@FloridaDEP.gov>; Briscoe,
Andrew <Andrew.Briscoe@dep.state.fl.us>; Corbin, Shane <scorbin@coab.us>
Subject: Re: FW: 18th Street Beach Access Parking
I stand corrected sir. It is I who was using the wrong divisor.
My apologies.
John
On Jul 10, 2020, 4:55 PM -0400, Corbin, Shane <scorbin@coab.us>, wrote:
Greetings DEP officials,
Happy Friday! Again, I appreciate your letter of clarification. It will be presented to City Commission and become public
record on Monday. I’ve already shared it widely and I think it has cleared up some of the confusion. However, from
those conversations have risen a new set of questions regarding the process/methodology of doing the parking
calculations. Please see the email below at the bottom.
Mr. Stinson is a former City Commissioner and chaired our Parking Committee. He has put in a significant about of time
on this subject. We’ve provided the relevant documents including your letter of clarification but there are still
questions and he would like an opportunity to explain his logic. Would it be possible to have a videoconference call
next week to discuss his concerns? If not, could someone respond to his email?
We specifically need a DEP response to this statement found in the email below: I would be happy to show you, your
staff, the DEP and any elected official the error of the belief that more than 26 spaces of the number of spaces at 18th
Street qualify for dune restoration funding. And I can do that using Federal, State and County governing documents,
some of which you attached to your email.
Thank you,
Shane Corbin, AICP
City Manager
800 Seminole Road
3
City of Atlantic Beach, FL 32233
(904) 247‐5817
www.coab.us
From: Corbin, Shane
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 4:23 PM
To: 'John Stinson' <Jms1776@msn.com>
Cc: Elected Officials <electedofficials@coab.us>
Subject: RE: 18th Street Beach Access Parking
Hello Mr. Stinson,
We aren’t on the same page about the space calculations.
½ mile: 2,640/52.8 = 50 spaces
¼ mile: 1,320/52.8 = 25 spaces
# of parking spaces at 18th St access determined by planning staff. See attached.
1970s report: 54 spaces
1980s Inventory: 61 spaces
2004 aerial: 51 spaces
2011 aerial: 51 spaces
2020 aerial: 51 spaces
We have not been able to locate the count you cited which has 42‐43 spaces but we will continue to look.
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In regards to the GIS mapping exercise – there were no official reports generated. I simply asked planning staff to take
the locations identified in the PPSARC report and map them. Both are attached. GIS was used for the base map, the
initial ¼ mile buffer analysis, and stars were used to illustrate the locations in a word document. The first map has the
¼ mile buffer ring created in GIS. This was fine‐tuned to a ¼ linear walk distance to meet state standards as shown in
the second map. Only few locations identified by PPSARC actually fall within the ¼ mile requirement and there are
various issues with those sites. Any locations identified by the PPSARC outside of the ¼ walk cannot be used to replace
the spots on 18th and receive state cost share credit.
It’s unfortunate that there is any public distrust about our efforts. We’ve provided consistent and honest information
based on state regulations. I can’t imagine what would motivate anyone from the state to mislead City staff or the
public about the process/methodology. However, I will forward them your email and ask them to respond. I’ll be
happy to adjust our approach if the state changes its guidance.
Thank you,
Shane Corbin, AICP
City Manager
800 Seminole Road
City of Atlantic Beach, FL 32233
(904) 247‐5817
www.coab.us
From: John Stinson [mailto:Jms1776@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2020 9:11 PM
To: Corbin, Shane <scorbin@coab.us>
Cc: Elected Officials <electedofficials@coab.us>
Subject: Re: 18th Street Beach Access Parking
Mr. Corbin
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Using the data you provided and accepting that the maximum radius is 1/4 mile distance either north or south
from the 18th Street beach access as defined in the hyperlinked statutes you provide, then the maximum
distance allowable for the 18th Street Beach access is 1/2 mile, or 2,640’. 2,640’, at 52.8’ per unit (or parking
space), allows 26.4 spaces at 18th Street to be eligible for shore protection cost sharing.
Additionally, 1/4 mile either north or south of the 18th Street Beach access would extend past 17th Street on
the south by approximately 256’ and past 19th Street on the north by 256'. If the City uses the 26.4 units
allowable credit for the more than 50 parking spaces, of which only 26.4 could qualify, at 18th Street for this
entire 1/4 mile radius, then the parking at 19th Street and 17th Street would be reduced by 50% plus
approximately 5 spaces each direction because overlap is prohibited and half of the 1/4 mile radius for 17th
and 19th Street is attributed to the radius of the 18th Street access. If the City or State does not use the entire
1/4 mile radius, then the number of qualifying spaces at 18th Street would be reduced further accordingly.
It is a simple matter of drawing 1/4 mile radiuses around these accesses, calculating the distance between each
access, then using the available parking at each location to qualify for the credit and actual linear distance.
I would be happy to show you, your staff, the DEP and any elected official the error of the belief that more
than 26 spaces of the number of spaces at 18th Street qualify for dune restoration funding. And I can do that
using Federal, State and County governing documents, some of which you attached to your email.
I am sure with your background, you understand this methodology quite well.
Regrettably, it appears either Olsen & Associates or the DEP is advising you incorrectly. This type of error in
logic I believe is the foundation for the distrust of the residents who live in the area. And elected officials
espousing these errors in fact via social media or other news outlets causes even deeper distrust.
I believe Mr. Reich is owed a public apology. Thus my Letter to the Editor as a former elected official.
Thanks for calling today. And I wish you and everyone at the City all the best in these trying times.
Always willing to be of service.
John
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On Jul 9, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Corbin, Shane <scorbin@coab.us> wrote:
Hello Mr. Stinson,
Great chatting with you. Below is a message I stared before deciding to call.
The maximum number of parking spaces that can receive credit for beach nourishment is 25 spaces
within ¼ mile in either direction (50 total) of a beach access.
52.8 ft. (linear ft. of credit for one parking spot) x 25 cars = 1,320 (linear ft. in a ¼ mile). Overlap is
created when two or more access have an excess of 25 spaces within a ¼ mile such as what exists
between 18th and 19th street. In this case, 4.5 spaces can be removed without negatively impacting the
cost share for beach nourishment. A few additional spaces can removed by adding bicycle racks but
that number is limited.
Attached: Letter of correction from DEP regarding 18th and 19th Street parking
State Statue 62B‐36 Cost Share Requirements
1971 Report from Jacksonville Area Planning Board which inventories 54 spaces at 18th
I’ve been through many other documents but these seem to cover the topics we discussed. Happy to
consider any additional information.
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Thank you,
Shane Corbin, AICP
City Manager
7
800 Seminole Road
City of Atlantic Beach, FL 32233
(904) 247‐5817
www.coab.us
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